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To: Robert DeLong
o you consider banning perverted sexual behavior as persecution? Because those who calculate persecution, take that into consideration.

But I did no such thing, thus your response is sophistry, and an illogical argument. Simply because Putin has some correct policies simply does not excuse his persecution of conservatives and employment of his state church puppet.

But even Zelenskyy has attacked religion

Irrelevant. I did not argue for Zelensky or Western morality, for my refutation was of your assertion that Christianity is now embraced there more than it is here. He would censor FR itself which the Left lusts to be able to do.

At least I haven't heard that Putin in stopping elections or religions.

What? Do you just get your news from pro-Russia propagandists?

Vladimir Putin's critics: Dead, jailed, exiled

Nerve agents, poison and window falls: A list of Putin's critics that have been attacked or killed

These are the prominent critics and enemies Putin is suspected of having killed

The Left does not have the extreme power, but instead uses judicial ways and means.

The truth of the matter is the sodomites & leftists have infiltrated religions, which is why US participation has declined rather rapidly.

Again, that is irrelevant, for I was not arguing in support of the immorality of the Left, but against the premise that Christianity is now embraced there more than it is here, which is simply not that case, and Putin only allows a Biblical form of religion to actually spread their faith. The West cannot do that yet.

You can provide all of the data you think supports your argument, but reality destroys your arguments.

To the absolute contrary - my substantiation remains in refutation of your promotion, as it is you who has no argument to defend your assertion. Lots of things were different in the 90s, compared to the realities in today's timeframe. In the 90s this nation was stronger financially & militarily. Neither strength today can compare to what they were in the 90s. Imagine the President of China, telling the president of the US, flat out, that China will take Taiwan at its discretion & timing.

Indeed, all of that is true, but that Christianity is now embraced there more than it is here is not, neither is the US more Christian than a country as the Marshall Islands, Saint Vincent and others.

The best thing for Russia would be an evangelical revival, and changed the government to be conservative like parts of colonial America.

Have a God night!

142 posted on 12/21/2023 8:18:43 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: daniel1212
First off I said:

Do you consider banning perverted sexual behavior as persecution? Because those who calculate persecution, take that into consideration.

I never said you did I asked if you believe that banning homosexual behavior is persecution. I then said that those calculating persecution would count it as persecution.

But I am not going to discussion everything you included because you bounced all across the board with your nonsense, including posts of others as if they as the gospel.

You post articles by the BBC about critics of Putin dying, which those articles hint at Putin's likely involvement, but again do not accuse him of direct involvement.

These are no facts, they are merely accusations that you buy as facts.

When I said that Christianity was embraced there more than here, I wasn't talking numbers. We have 3 times the population that Russia has. I was talking about being embraced by governments of all types in this nation of ours. The government honoring the rights of the citizens of this nation are under constant attack. In red states the governments are better, but when you go into the blue cities in those red states things become more shaky.

12/9/2022, 8:46:33 AM · by Timber Rattler · 2 replies The Guardian ^ | December 9, 2022 | Andrew Roth Russia's Newest Law: No Evangelizing Outside of Church

I find that little tidbit to be amusing, because I am always reading articles about little old ladies quietly standing within 500 feet of an abortion center with her head bowed, and a cop coming up to them asking what they are doing, her responding praying, and the cop arresting her. I have heard these stories in the UK, Australia, New Zealand, and even here of people praying within a specified distance to an abortion clinic being arrested.

As for all of your irrelevant, comments they too are disingenuous in many places where you get into abortion numbers etc. to point out morality differences.

When I made this comment:

At least I haven't heard that Putin in stopping elections or religions.

Your retort back was:

What? Do you just get your news from pro-Russia propagandists?. Followed by 3 links which stated:

Vladimir Putin's critics: Dead, jailed, exiled

Nerve agents, poison and window falls: A list of Putin's critics that have been attacked or killed

These are the prominent critics and enemies Putin is suspected of having killed

None of those refute my comment which specifically mentioned elections & religion, and again all are accusations or insinuations hinting at Putin's involvement, they are not facts. The facts are these people died, but there is no proof of who did these killings, some of which could have been suicides. The one further up at least talked about Evangelizing Outside of Church

Your problem is that you don't necessarily understand what is being said, or you provide stuff you believe makes your case, but really doesn't

If I were to tell you that a girl born in 1975 and died at age 22 in 1975, would you understand?

You brought up all kinds of data on abortions, made numerical claims from decades ago. I never brought about abortions, you your claims that you didn't go down certain paths is just patently false. I never made claims about decades ago, I made statements regarding the deteriorating conditions that used to exist in the USSR, that are becoming more of a concern, in this ntion in this current time.

146 posted on 12/21/2023 9:44:36 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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