Do you consider banning perverted sexual behavior as persecution? Because those who calculate persecution, take that into consideration.
I never said you did I asked if you believe that banning homosexual behavior is persecution. I then said that those calculating persecution would count it as persecution.
But I am not going to discussion everything you included because you bounced all across the board with your nonsense, including posts of others as if they as the gospel.
You post articles by the BBC about critics of Putin dying, which those articles hint at Putin's likely involvement, but again do not accuse him of direct involvement.
These are no facts, they are merely accusations that you buy as facts.
When I said that Christianity was embraced there more than here, I wasn't talking numbers. We have 3 times the population that Russia has. I was talking about being embraced by governments of all types in this nation of ours. The government honoring the rights of the citizens of this nation are under constant attack. In red states the governments are better, but when you go into the blue cities in those red states things become more shaky.
12/9/2022, 8:46:33 AM · by Timber Rattler · 2 replies The Guardian ^ | December 9, 2022 | Andrew Roth Russia's Newest Law: No Evangelizing Outside of Church
I find that little tidbit to be amusing, because I am always reading articles about little old ladies quietly standing within 500 feet of an abortion center with her head bowed, and a cop coming up to them asking what they are doing, her responding praying, and the cop arresting her. I have heard these stories in the UK, Australia, New Zealand, and even here of people praying within a specified distance to an abortion clinic being arrested.
As for all of your irrelevant, comments they too are disingenuous in many places where you get into abortion numbers etc. to point out morality differences.
When I made this comment:
At least I haven't heard that Putin in stopping elections or religions.
Your retort back was:
What? Do you just get your news from pro-Russia propagandists?. Followed by 3 links which stated:
Vladimir Putin's critics: Dead, jailed, exiled
Nerve agents, poison and window falls: A list of Putin's critics that have been attacked or killed
These are the prominent critics and enemies Putin is suspected of having killed
None of those refute my comment which specifically mentioned elections & religion, and again all are accusations or insinuations hinting at Putin's involvement, they are not facts. The facts are these people died, but there is no proof of who did these killings, some of which could have been suicides. The one further up at least talked about Evangelizing Outside of Church
Your problem is that you don't necessarily understand what is being said, or you provide stuff you believe makes your case, but really doesn't
If I were to tell you that a girl born in 1975 and died at age 22 in 1975, would you understand?
You brought up all kinds of data on abortions, made numerical claims from decades ago. I never brought about abortions, you your claims that you didn't go down certain paths is just patently false. I never made claims about decades ago, I made statements regarding the deteriorating conditions that used to exist in the USSR, that are becoming more of a concern, in this ntion in this current time.
And first off I only argued ONE THING, which is that assertion that Christianity is now embraced there more than it is here - not who has the most persecution. But that the most Christian country bans sharing of faith except for a state church, with a KBG past, voting for an oppressor of them, is contrary to your careless claim.
You post articles by the BBC about critics of Putin dying, which those articles hint at Putin's likely involvement, but again do not accuse him of direct involvement. These are no facts, they are merely accusations that you buy as facts.
Rather, it is your denial of such that is a mere accusation. You really think you can absolve Putin of this on the basis of unproven direct involvement? As if direct involvement is necessary for such, and as if this elected dictator would allow investigation? Be realistic.
When I said that Christianity was embraced there more than here, I wasn't talking numbers. We have 3 times the population that Russia has. I was talking about being embraced by governments of all types in this nation of ours.
Neither was I talking numbers, but PERCENTAGES. Approx. 66% professing Christianity.
The government honoring the rights of the citizens of this nation are under constant attack. In red states the governments are better, but when you go into the blue cities in those red states things become more shaky.
Indeed I live and evangelize in MA - about as liberal as it gets - yet which is in stark contrast to Russia in which I would be arrested for doing so.
I find that little tidbit to be amusing, because I am always reading articles about little old ladies quietly standing within 500 feet of an abortion center with her head bowed, and a cop coming up to them asking what they are doing, her responding praying, and the cop arresting her
No, you always reading articles about that, which deplorable arrest was in the UK, and a Northern Irish MP has decried that arrest and English police apologized to her later and she will not be prosecuted, but it suppression of that within the bubble is wrong.
As abortion is, which ROs' are only marginally more opposed (48 percent) to in contrast to evangelicals, whom Putin - whom Orthodox elected - muzzles within the "bubble" called Russia
As for all of your irrelevant, comments they too are disingenuous in many places where you get into abortion numbers etc. to point out morality differences.
Rather, it is your support of Putin that is sophistry, as if research shows that Russia as embracing Christianity more than the US, and as if Russian Orthodox are actually Christian in practice (only 18% said they pray daily 55% of self-declared Orthodox believers affirmed fornication could be justified, and 30 percent of those who ID as RO did not even believe in the existence of God), which is like saying mainline Prots are mostly Christian
. At best, both countries equally profess Christianity, but about 24% of U.S. adults describe themselves as born-again or evangelical Protestant (though less are truly so), whom Putin muzzles even though they are conservative.
That said, if Putin ran for President here, if upholding the Constitution, then about 76-80% of evangelicals (at least over 24) would vote for him vs a Hillary of Biden, etc., as they did even for Romney and Mcain (and Trump), so opposed to the Left are they. I myself think the voting age should be raised to 25, and only for those with some proof of citizenship and residency.
But if the Left had the power of Putin, evangelicals who express opposition to him (as we do to the Left) and evangelize would already be hunted down as if they were Jan. 6 protesters (which is practice). When I made this comment: 'At least I haven't heard that Putin in stopping elections or religions.' Your retort back was: What? Do you just get your news from pro-Russia propagandists?. None of those refute my comment which specifically mentioned elections & religion,
What??? Are your serious? You mean Putin outlawing sharing of any faith aside from RO and elimination of serious political challenges to him is OK since it does not mean he actually stopped elections or religions?! Pure sophistry. Saddam Hussein also could make that claim.
and again all are accusations or insinuations hinting at Putin's involvement, they are not facts. The facts are these people died, but there is no proof of who did these killings,
More desperate defense of your hero. As if real investigation would be allowed if it incriminated him. Maybe you think Epstein's suicide is not be suspected as being induced or allowed, nor certain events related to the Clinton's due to lack of actual proof from official sources.
I never brought about abortions,
You mean you actually think such evidences as justifying fornication, broad support of abortion and suppression of the most conservative religious class under the Christian banner is not related to your assertion of Russia being more Christian than the US? Absurd.
I made statements regarding the deteriorating conditions that used to exist in the USSR, that are becoming more of a concern, in this ntion in this current time.
and Actually, there are still many deteriorating conditions in Russia that were a constant in the USSR, like suicide, that are becoming more of a concern in this nation in this current time, but which are only relevant as regards how they relate to that claim of having embraced Christianity.
As relates to that, no nation which votes for an oppressor of the most conservative major religious group under the title of Christianity (not that I think Catholics, mainline Prots or cults are truly so, nor all who are classed evangelical, are) can claim to be predominately Christian. Which neither Russia or the US are. Tragically so. And as America has been given more, so its judgment will be, and if the question was to be asked, would you rather be ruled by Russia or China", I dare say most evangelicals would choose Russia.
Both are fighting against God, but if you want to see some of my (somewhat dated ) stats on this, there are REVEALING STATISTICS (or, Present Costs of the War Against God)