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1 posted on 12/02/2023 8:29:40 PM PST by george76
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“We’ve had 711 from batch number one vaccinated 152 of those died which makes a 21 percentage death rate, mortality rate,” Gunn said looking at the data, which Smith confirmed was correct.

From one small sample like, are they extrapolating to the entire population?


39 posted on 12/02/2023 9:44:09 PM PST by Zack Attack (✔)
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A bug? Or, a feature?

Perhaps it’s working precisely the way it was designed.


41 posted on 12/02/2023 9:51:26 PM PST by Sir Bangaz Cracka (Poor 'lil Travon bees slamming dat white cracka'a head into dat sidewalk causin he be scared)
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Always helpful to read the article before writing comments.

The 20% number comes from ONE batch of Pfizer vaccine injected into 711 persons.

Then, something called V1 (Vaccinator Name) vaccinated 246 people, and 60 of them died, which was 25%.

And, the statistician who worked out all the numbers is using an alias!

Just walk away folks...

42 posted on 12/02/2023 9:56:33 PM PST by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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population of new zealand is ~5.2m people.

if 20% has died in the passed 2 years, that would mean ~1.4m dead.

is there any way to confirm or reject the 20% figure?


44 posted on 12/02/2023 10:13:21 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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Utter steaming BS.


50 posted on 12/02/2023 11:07:30 PM PST by dinodino ( Cut it down anyway. )
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bttt


52 posted on 12/02/2023 11:44:13 PM PST by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Never be slave in a new Socialist America.)
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A class action suit against big pharma and big government is in order.

Blatant malfeasance and disregard for human life.


53 posted on 12/03/2023 12:06:26 AM PST by Boomer (The Long Winter is coming...)
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The emotional idiocy here on FR to jump to immediate conclusions is palpable.

This is an example of people making emotional decisions based upon how they “feel” and then searching for facts to support the decisions already made. This creates an irrational mob mentality.

Did you ever hear of digging deeper into the facts?

Although highly exagerated and sensationalized as click bait in the headlines, the results of this study are still worth examining.

Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

Do you remember how the government stopped Joe McCarthy in his attack on communism? By feeding bad information supporting his cause to discredit him. It’s a common ploy. Don’t fall for it. Verify, verify, verify.

A good decision maker gathers facts, examines all of them, and then makes a decision. They then continue to look at the new facts and revise their decision accordingly, being careful not to own the decision results as an individual identity and fight to protect their ego as though they needed to prove their favorite football team was the best.


54 posted on 12/03/2023 12:11:00 AM PST by tired&retired (Blessings )
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Maybe Pfizer, et al., used NZ as their testbed for Covid Vax. .


57 posted on 12/03/2023 1:52:41 AM PST by chopperk
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Sounds like this guy is making the argument. from a survival perspective, that you are better off ODing on fentanyl than taking your chances with Pfizer mrna vaccine. Yes, some people have died from it but nowhere near the 20% he is alleging.


62 posted on 12/03/2023 2:49:24 AM PST by chuckee
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One million people ???


66 posted on 12/03/2023 3:37:59 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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Don’t worry, Chinese Communists stand ready to send in replacements for the population lost.


72 posted on 12/03/2023 3:59:23 AM PST by Redleg Duke (“Who is John Galt?”)
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>>“We’ve had 711 from batch number one vaccinated 152 of those died which makes a 21 percentage death rate, mortality rate

Likely the first batch was used to vaccinate elderly people in nursing homes and other institutional settings.

In the US, I had a cousin in her mid-80s who was vaccinated after contracting Covid. She died.

20% mortality for this type of use would not be surprising.

20% mortality for the general population is not remotely possible.


77 posted on 12/03/2023 4:27:22 AM PST by FarCenter
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Well there’s some idiotic lies. Really you should be embarrassed posting something this obviously BS. Use your head, hats are out of style.


83 posted on 12/03/2023 5:48:28 AM PST by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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US Navy Medical Doctor reveals Covax Vaccine Related Heart Issues. These numbers are astounding. “Myocarditis up 151%, Ischemic heart disease up 69%, pulmonary heart disease up 62% and Heart Failure is up 973%.

(video)

https://twitter.com/Risemelbourne/status/1729337006914990526


93 posted on 12/03/2023 6:17:55 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("All he had was a handgun. Why did you think that was a threat?" --Rittenhouse Prosecutor)
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The population of New Zealand is 5.22 million. Think Freepers! Think!
97 posted on 12/03/2023 6:21:07 AM PST by Chgogal (Welcome to Fuhrer Biden's Weaponized Fascist Banana Republic! It's the road to hell)
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Another overhyped headline that kills our credibility. He is saying 20% of people in the first batch of vaccines died, not overall. I am sure New Zealand distributed their early doses like many countries: to the sickest and most vulnerable. Now some of those deaths may be due to problems with the vaccine, but many are people who would have died from existing age and infirmities anyway. More rigorous disengagement of the statistics is needed.


107 posted on 12/03/2023 6:59:23 AM PST by Flying Circus
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More anti-vaxxer nonsense. Here are the facts:

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-vaccines-new-zealand-949096630073

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/03/09/fact-check-covid-19-mostly-blame-new-zealands-rise-deaths/11419169002/


108 posted on 12/03/2023 7:01:46 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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New Zealand Government Data Suggests Alarming Pfizer Death Rate
BY J.R. Bruning J.R. BRUNING DECEMBER 1, 2023

BROWNSTONE » BROWNSTONE INSTITUTE ARTICLES » NEW ZEALAND GOVERNMENT DATA SUGGESTS ALARMING PFIZER DEATH RATE

A statistician has come forward with disturbing information that, if correct, will promote doubt on the safety of mRNA vaccination for decades into the future. The whistleblower was involved with building and implementing the New Zealand government database vaccine payment system, a ‘pay per dose system’ that would remit payments to vaccination providers.

In an interview with New Zealand journalist and lawyer Liz Gunn, and using a false name of Winston Smith, the statistician states that

“Science is all about being sceptical and curious at the same time. We shouldn’t be criticised for being sceptical, we shouldn’t be vilified for having a different opinion. We should be allowed to have that.

Smith explained by way of introduction ‘I’m not anti-vax. I helped build the vaccination system. But I am pro-choice and I do believe in [the] fundamental freedoms of humans, and that we should not have a procedure forced onto us because of a mandate just to keep our jobs. That is against everything I stand for. It is a huge overreach by the government.’

Smith’s work also involved data analysis. Smith had noticed discrepancies almost immediately the system went live with people dying within a week of being injected.

Looking at the government data, he ran a query to identify days when more than one hundred and twenty people died in New Zealand. Historic peaks above this level, as Smith demonstrates, are rare. This normal distribution of deaths at this level is only rarely exceeded on the occasional day, or for disaster events, such as the 2011 Christchurch earthquake, mosque shooting in 2017, or an unusually bad influenza season.

In the small country of New Zealand, daily mortality levels that exceed one hundred and twenty could plausibly be considered to be a signal of a disaster event that should trigger public discussion and controversy.

New Zealand had a highly unusual winter flu season in June-July 2019, and no days exceeded the harm-signal level in 2020.

Excerpted:
https://brownstone.org/articles/new-zealand-government-data-suggests-alarming-pfizer-death-rate/


143 posted on 12/07/2023 3:13:27 PM PST by Grampa Dave ( Any one, who can make you believe in absurdities, can make you commit atrocities!!" ~ (Voltaire)!, )
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