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To: BroJoeK; bimboeruption
Ukrainians have improved their corruption score by more than double, putting them well ahead of Russia today.

More than double what? Well ahead of Russia today? The 2022 numbers are Ukraine 33, Russia 28. That's hardly "well ahead" on a scale of 0 to 100.

From 2012 through 2022, the Ukr vs Rus numbers are -2, -3, -1, -2, 0, +1, +4, +2, +3, +3, +5.

Ukraine is 33 in 2022. That puts them in good company with countries like Zambia, El Salvador, Philippines, Mongolia, Algeria, and Angola. Russia's number is 28, along with Mali and Paraguay.

Even though Ukraine's number is trending upwards, it is hardly something to be proud of as they continually demand cash and weapons from the US and other countries and a meaningful audit of that assistance is not to be found.

Obviously those ratings include the worst 3rd world corruptocracies. If you look at Europe alone, the picture is much worse. Both Ukraine and Russia are right at the very bottom of the list.

Corruption Index | Europe.

The 2023 numbers will be interesting when they appear. It wouldn't surprise me if both dropped significantly.

97 posted on 11/19/2023 9:27:19 AM PST by Fresh Wind (George Soros on assisting with the Holocaust: "That's when my character was made")
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To: Fresh Wind
Fresh Wind: "Even though Ukraine's number is trending upwards, it is hardly something to be proud of as they continually demand cash and weapons from the US and other countries and a meaningful audit of that assistance is not to be found."

There's no doubt that Ukraine started in the 1990s from a low number in the "Corruption Perceptions Index" -- third-world shit-hole level corruption.
Russia then scored higher than Ukraine, since then has bounced around and today's scores are about what they were over 20 years ago.
US scores in those days were 10% higher than they are today.

So, where US corruption has gotten worse, Russia's is about the same, Ukraine's has rather dramatically improved.
Yes, Ukraine is still far from standards of, say, Western Europe, but they are the only ones moving in the right direction.

And there's no evidence I've ever seen that any US aid to Ukraine was ever misused or corrupted.

Finally, all of this is irrelevant to the fact of Vlad the Invader's 100% illegal, immoral and unjustified "special military operations" against Ukraine.
If that is allowed to stand unopposed, then we can expect the world order as we've known it since 1945 to transform into something vastly less friendly to American interests, peace and prosperity.
Ukrainian "corruption" cannot be used to justify Vlad the Invader's insane empire building adventures.

113 posted on 11/20/2023 2:49:16 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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