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| 11-15-2023
| Denys Davydov
Posted on 11/15/2023 4:22:28 PM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: kiryandil
I’ll wake The Bro up tomorrow with Von der Leyen’s numbers of 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers dead from a year ago. Let’s see how he twists that one :P
To: kiryandil; JonPreston
kiryandil:
"You can tell the neo-klowns that Wikipedia is a hot politicized mess all day long, and they'll still claim that the "data" on Wikipedia is ALL GOOD - as long as it agrees with their blinkered world view." Look, I know you guys have no interest in facts or reasons, for you it's all just 100% propaganda -- one side's lies versus the other side's lies and truth has nothing to do with it.
For you guys it's all just a matter of finding the most effective lies to mock the other sides' lies with and it doesn't matter if an occasional fact gets thrown in, what matters is only the effectiveness of your insults and slanders.
But if on some rare occasion, you should ever wonder about what is factual or not, then regarding Wikipedia, it's this: Wikipedia presents the best data that's known as "common knowledge" available.
Where there are legitimate disputes, it presents both sides in neutral tones.
Does that mean that Wikipedia is 100% right 100% of the time?
No, of course not, and there is constant editing going on to correct and improve its content.
However, Wikipedia data should imply the following:
- It's based on known sources, not just pulled out of the thin air.
- It can be and will be updated when more reliable data becomes available.
- The probabilities of the average person finding more reliable data are relatively small.
Nevertheless, I always offer -- if you have better data, then show it to us, let's see what you have and where it comes from.
But of course, that's not what you guys are here for, is it? ![]()
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posted on
11/21/2023 3:55:11 AM PST
by
BroJoeK
(future DDG 134 -- we remember)
To: BroJoeK; kiryandil
Below lies the end result of your latest Neocon fever. An entire generation of Ukranian men dead, and the US taxpayers $200bn in additional debt.
To: BroJoeK
Sorry for not being expressing myself too clearly - to me it seems that many Americans, i. e. ordinary, good, upstanding and responsible American citizens, were uncomfortable with Stalin as an ally.
At the same time, though, they were aware of the fact that there was no alternative at all to an alliance of the US with the USSR.
Thus, the ordinary Americans‘ „hearts“ were not in the alliance, i. e. they were ambivalent. That’s what I wanted to say 🙂
President Roosevelt, however, gave Stalin a lot of sympathy. I think that was his great mistake, especially as Stalin was obviously aware of this fact, and used it unscrupulously for his own ends 🙁
Yes, and iirc, Churchill tried to warn Roosevelt of Stalin and his evil ways, but tragically, the President would not heed Churchill’s advice 🙁
We can clearly say that FDR had a liking for Stalin, whereas most average Americans did not. Still, they knew that there was no alternative to having him as an ally. An elderly American WW 2 vet, now departed, told me about it several years ago: he fought loyally, of course, but there was a certain heaviness in his heart, whenever he thought about the many lives which Stalin had taken away - for example in the Great Hunger, or considering the fate of the Kazakhs in the 1930s.
The elderly gentleman had a kindly heart🙏🏻 He was a true blessing to all his family and friends.
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posted on
11/21/2023 5:45:45 AM PST
by
Menes
To: Menes
Menes:
"Sorry for not being expressing myself too clearly - to me it seems that many Americans, i. e. ordinary, good, upstanding and responsible American citizens, were uncomfortable with Stalin as an ally.
At the same time, though, they were aware of the fact that there was no alternative at all to an alliance of the US with the USSR." Agreed, many were as you say.
But not nearly as many, nor were they as uncomfortable with Stalin as they would have been, had the US Democrat media -- i.e., the New York Times -- fully informed Americans about the monstrosity Stalin was and the horrors of his Soviet Gulag Union.
I'm saying most Americans really didn't know how bad Stalin was and had they known, it's hard to guess their reactions.
Of course, Americans also didn't know about Hitler's Holocaust of Jews and other "untermenschen", so the world was chock full of horrors that most didn't comprehend.
What we did all then know was how much we loved and admired the French especially, and the Brits too, and how far we were willing to go to help them, once it finally became clear that WWII was also "our war".
FDR's promise in the 1940 election campaign was that he would not send "American boys" off to fight in a "foreign war".
He repeated that promise often, but only occasionally added: of course, if we are attacked, then it is no longer a "foreign war".
FDR was eager to help our allies, the American people were not so eager.
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posted on
11/21/2023 8:42:01 AM PST
by
BroJoeK
(future DDG 134 -- we remember)
To: JonPreston
It’s amusing that the bro will continue to “wall o’ text” us until the Ukrainian front lines collapse.
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posted on
11/21/2023 9:11:03 AM PST
by
kiryandil
(China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
To: JonPreston
JonPreston:
"Below lies the end result of your latest Neocon fever.
An entire generation of Ukranian men dead, and the US taxpayers $200bn in additional debt." Total US aid to Ukraine -- military, humanitarian plus financial -- is currently put at circa $113 billion over about two years, roughly $55 billion per year or around 6% of our defense budget.
About half of our aid is old hardware which would have been scrapped soon anyway.
So our actual costs are far less than you claim here.
As for Ukrainian casualties, the numbers are indeed huge, but still far from "an entire generation".
Ukraine's adult population is circa 20 million, roughly half of them males, of course.
Of those, the US government estimates around 200,000 total casualties, including 70,000 killed in action.
That was as of August, after 18 months of war, today's numbers might be correspondingly more.
But the key fact which matters here is that Ukrainians all share a kindred spirit with our own Founders, especially Patrick Henry, most famous for declaring "give me liberty or give me death".
I'd say anyone who can't at least sympathize with them has some kind of sickness going on in their own souls.
Do you?
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posted on
11/21/2023 9:13:29 AM PST
by
BroJoeK
(future DDG 134 -- we remember)
To: BroJoeK
Please reply with 500 words or more
To: BroJoeK
To: BroJoeK
To: kiryandil; JonPreston
kiryandil to JonPreston:
"It’s amusing that the bro will continue to “wall o’ text” us until the Ukrainian front lines collapse." What's even more amusing is that you guys got nothing real -- no facts, no logic, no reasons, no data, no arguments worth the name.
All you can do is blast away with ridiculous nonsense.
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posted on
11/24/2023 1:27:04 AM PST
by
BroJoeK
(future DDG 134 -- we remember)
To: JonPreston; kiryandil; UMCRevMom@aol.com
JonPreston:
"Please reply with 500 words or more
While the Biden administration is sending another $100 million to Ukraine, these old Ukrainian men are being 'motivated' to fight the Russian army.
Knowing that they will most likely die.." What they can be pretty sure of is that their lives will not be squandered like Russian troops in mindless "Meat Wave" frontal assaults on enemy machine guns and artillery.
They can be sure of better treatment than the average Russian soldier gets, better training and better equipment.
Also better medical care when wounded.
And they can be certain they are fighting on the side of God against the godless orcs & trolls of Old Soviet KGB empire builder, Vlad the Invader.
Finally, they will all be known forever as Ukraine's greatest generation, an example for a world which has suddenly become shaken and unsteady because of perceived American weakness, stupidity and corruption.
Vlad's invasion of Ukraine is what happens when we look weak. Those old men are paying the price for our failures.
We should help them as much as we can.
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posted on
11/24/2023 1:41:48 AM PST
by
BroJoeK
(future DDG 134 -- we remember)
To: JonPreston
JonPreston:
"How the United States and Britain blocked peace in Ukraine.
And they made a fatal mistake..." We've covered this ground now at least twice:
Here on November 5
Here on November 17
And the bottom line remains as always: I've never seen a statement from any Ukrainian official saying they were willing to accept peace with Russia on Vlad the Invader's terms.
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posted on
11/24/2023 1:50:06 AM PST
by
BroJoeK
(future DDG 134 -- we remember)
To: JonPreston
JonPreston:
"Carlson: “US support for Ukraine is a cult of death”
American journalist Tucker Carlson said that the US administration’s desire to continue to support Ukraine is a “cult of death.”" Yeah, I don't know what happened to Carlson.
So far as I can tell he's gone over-the-top nuts about Ukraine, and there's just no reason for it that I can see.
Carlson's words "death cult" have to describe Russian "Meat Wave" assaults killing up to 1,000 of their own troops each day.
Those words cannot describe intrepid Ukrainian freedom fighters who do their best with what little they have to defend their own country against grossly illegal outside invasion.
So Carlson calling Ukrainians a "death cult" in November, 2023 is like calling George Washington's Continental Army a "death cult" in November, 1776, a time when they had lost far more battles than they'd won.
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posted on
11/24/2023 2:05:32 AM PST
by
BroJoeK
(future DDG 134 -- we remember)
To: BroJoeK
To: BroJoeK
To: BroJoeK
To: BroJoeK
To: JonPreston
JonPreston:
"More footage showing Ukrainian women on the Frontline.
Bringing women into the fight is a sign of desperate, make no mistake.
Despite the rhetoric we here from the media and Ukraine supporters, this is not, "Brave, Ukrainian, female patriots," fighting evil Russia." What are you talking about?
Of course, Ukraine is desperate, they've been desperate since Day One, when our Pres. OBiden called to offer Zelenskyy a ride out of the country, to which Zelenskyy famously replied, he didn't want a ride, he needed more ammunition.
Of course, Ukraine is desperate, how could they not be desperate, outnumbered god-awful-to-one in both population and economic potential, Ukraine can only hope to win with help from its allies and by using every available soldier.
Many armies, including ours, use women in combat support roles, and sometimes in combat itself.
Among other reasons, it shows that women can assume all the duties of citizenship, not just those less hazardous.
Of course, it's a crying shame to see young women injured or killed in war, but I think we can say that as of today vastly more Ukrainian civilian women have been killed in insane Russian missile attacks on civilians than have been casualties in the trenches against Russian "Meat Wave" assaults.
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posted on
11/24/2023 5:42:29 AM PST
by
BroJoeK
(future DDG 134 -- we remember)
To: JonPreston
You've more patience than I with "Ol' Wall O' Text".
It's like reading a "nightly news" transcript from CNN or MSNBC.
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posted on
11/24/2023 3:42:03 PM PST
by
kiryandil
(China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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