Posted on 08/03/2023 11:23:34 AM PDT by DallasBiff
Gestational surrogacy is when a person carries and gives birth to a baby for another person or couple. It’s usually done through IVF (in vitro fertilization). The person who carries the pregnancy has no genetic relation to the baby.
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I think every deliberate and direct killing of innocent human beings at every stage of their development should be illegal. Don't you?
No, I don’t. I think there are occasions when outright abortion is permissible. And the issue we’re discussing is far more complicated.
I think all of these things should be handled by the States, as abortion is now and hopefully remains.
Such as? How is a human child less than a human child depending upon the good or bad circumstances of their conception?
And the issue we’re discussing is far more complicated.
It's only complicated because people don't know or fail to acknowledge the central issue in both abortion and IVF: that innocent human lives are being savagely snuffed out--in the case of IVF, typically multiple human lives in one fell swoop.
I think all of these things should be handled by the States, as abortion is now and hopefully remains.
I think so too. And by the people, not legislators and courts. But the people also need to be given all the facts so their moral consciences can be properly formed and they can make an informed decision on these and other issues.
I think there are times when the circumstances permit it - like rape and incest. I wouldn’t demand a woman carry a child of such an assault. There are forms of cruelty every bit as bad as what you consider ‘murder’.
You obviously have your beliefs. But you aren’t going to change the many people who believe otherwise.
As I just asked, how is a human child less than a human child depending upon the good or bad circumstances of their conception? How is it right to give the death penalty to an innocent child because of the sins of his or her father? And not just killed, but in the most savage and cruel manner possible?
You obviously have your beliefs. But you aren’t going to change the many people who believe otherwise.
One can say that about any number of issues. That is not my concern. I am just a messenger boy. My concern is to deliver the message so that at least some people can be more fully informed and let the open-minded recipient do with it what he wills.
It has nothing to do with a child not being a child. It’s a judgment call in a horrible situation.
You seem to think that you can decide things for someone else in such extremity, without considering the disaster you may be perpetrating on the lives of TWO people.
(I reject capital punishment in almost every case, but I’m sure you’re fine with it as long as the perp isn’t ‘innocent’ according to your lights.)
It has everything to with a human child being a human child. To not acknowledge that simple fact is to oneself in the position of being able to judge whether someone is human or human entirely depending on the circumstances. At what other stage of human life would one presume to do so?
You seem to think that you can decide things for someone else in such extremity, without considering the disaster you may be perpetrating on the lives of TWO people.
How is my simply providing people the facts "deciding" for them?
(I reject capital punishment in almost every case, but I’m sure you’re fine with it as long as the perp isn’t ‘innocent’ according to your lights.)
You don't know what I believe unless I tell you what I believe. Anything else is presumption on your part.
One can say that about virtually any proposed law that is contested. Just telling people the facts is not deciding for them. Just because we pass laws against, say, embezzlement, doesn't mean we are taking away a legitimate choice for those who might commit it.
You and I are not going to agree about this, so it's useless to continue it. Thanks for the conversation.
I'm good with that. Thanks and have have a blessed day.
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