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We’re now finding out the damaging results of the mandated return to the office–and it’s worse than we thought
Fortune ^ | Gleb Tsipursky

Posted on 08/03/2023 10:38:50 AM PDT by ShadowAce

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To: mikey_hates_everything

“...and it would be as if the employer reneged on an agreement.”

And in some cases they did. My son’s wife accepted a job in 2022 with a large employer upon the express representation that she could work remotely. They then sold their house in an urban cesspool and brought a place in a conservative bubble about 1.5 hours away. The employer has recently told all employees to return to the office by September 1 or they will be terminated. She now works for another company.


61 posted on 08/03/2023 11:29:54 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: rexthecat

“No one should give a crap about employees feelings. It’s like crying in baseball. Ridiculous”.

That’s not an intelligent thing to say.


62 posted on 08/03/2023 11:30:12 AM PDT by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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To: NWFree

Firing is the easy part.

Hiring folks who can actually do the job is the hard part.

Managers who can’t figure that out need to polish their “will work for food” signs for the street-corner.


63 posted on 08/03/2023 11:31:30 AM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: ShadowAce

In other words, excluding career-centric factors such as pay, security, and promotion, flexible work ranks first in employees’ priorities.


If you ignore 1,2,3, then 4 is first.

Liberal math........................


64 posted on 08/03/2023 11:31:57 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: NWFree
Too lazy to get their butts into the office

Too lazy as in too lazy to travel several thousand miles to get to the office?
We've hired people who live in different states. There is no "return to the office" for them.

65 posted on 08/03/2023 11:32:08 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: ShadowAce

If you discover that you can do without these people, then do so.................


66 posted on 08/03/2023 11:33:50 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: blackdog
You can't trust most people when they are not observed in the office.

It's no longer what it was like for you in the 1980s.

We have better oversight online than we ever had in the office. I can see just how long each task was dragged along before being completed, something we could never do with folks swishing paper and "ideas" around in the office.

67 posted on 08/03/2023 11:34:15 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: Labyrinthos
My son’s wife accepted a job in 2022 with a large employer upon the express representation that she could work remotely. They then sold their house in an urban cesspool and brought a place in a conservative bubble about 1.5 hours away. The employer has recently told all employees to return to the office by September 1 or they will be terminated.

No offense to your daughter in law but it was easy to see that coming.

Even if she was a good employee, I'm sure she was, you have too many other employees taking advantage of WFH arrangement so productivity is way down compared to what it was before when everyone worked in the office.

68 posted on 08/03/2023 11:34:41 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Night Hides Not
I think this "three days a week" model is eventually going to disappear. It will be replaced by either five days a week in the office, or fully remote work for most people.

I had a peer in my industry tell me how great the "three days a week" model works for her organization. Everyone is in the office Tuesday through Thursday, and works from home on Mondays and Friday.

She works for a government agency, so she's obviously completely in the dark about the biggest flaw in that arrangement. Bringing people into the office 3/5ths of the time only makes sense financially if you can reduce your office footprint by 40% and schedule your staff to work in shared arrangements. If everyone is coming to the office on the same three days, then the employer has to keep 100% of its office space even though it isn't being used 40% of the time during weekday business hours.

69 posted on 08/03/2023 11:35:03 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've just pissed in my pants and nobody can do anything about it." -- Major Fambrough)
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To: HeadOn

There is no doubt that many, if not most, employees would do an honest day’s work. Unfortunately, a large chunk of employees will not pull their weight.


70 posted on 08/03/2023 11:35:10 AM PDT by bort
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To: Psalm 73

“the slackers always found a way to loaf in the office anyway, so this way we don’t have to see them loaf.”

You forgot the best part—when you are not in the office you do not need to listen to them loaf—many are often noisy and disruptive while they get on the phone with all their girlfriends to discuss their plans to raise bond for their “good boy” who is in jail—yet again.


71 posted on 08/03/2023 11:35:19 AM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

“It might work if you’re a small company and you’re managing a bunch of Baby Boomers.”

I managed a remote staff of many different ages for 20 years for a Fortune 100 company. It’s a matter of hiring people with the right mindset for remote work and knowing how to manage them.


72 posted on 08/03/2023 11:35:24 AM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: From The Deer Stand
In many cases that's because the employer expects a good day's work but isn't paying a good day's pay.

The same goes for young workers, who are now expected to "sacrifice" for jobs paying poverty-level wages that won't pay enough even to rent an apartment or buy a car. What for? If you can live at a level not much lower than working full-time by working part-time or off the books, why bother with a low-paying job with no possibility of advancement?

Conservatives are big on the stick, but the carrot is also needed to influence behavior. If you think you can force people to work or starve, they'll just vote for politicians to take from you and give to them. So be careful what you wish for.

73 posted on 08/03/2023 11:35:52 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: T.B. Yoits
We have better oversight online than we ever had in the office.

It might work at the micro level but it doesn't mean it will work at the macro level at this time right now for all the employees and employers.

74 posted on 08/03/2023 11:36:15 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: ConservativeWarrior

Ever tried to install equipment remotely?

Do hardware repairs remotely?

Deliver a tractor trailer load to a warehouse remotely?

Lay asphalt remotely?

Some jobs still require the presence of a warm body.


75 posted on 08/03/2023 11:36:20 AM PDT by mewzilla (We will never restore the republic if we don't first secure the ballot box.)
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To: ShadowAce
From the article: ...when initially joining the company, the employees were primarily concerned with compensation and job security. Once within the fold, the pandemic caused them to shift their focus to work-life balance and flexibility...

Proper BS. One, it's a Scamdemic, not a pandemic.

Two, employees didn't shift their focus to work-life balance instead of compensation and job security. Many found out they had better compensation and more job security when they could offer their expertise to companies situated farther away from the typical Democrat urban dump.

76 posted on 08/03/2023 11:36:55 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: Magic Fingers
I managed a remote staff of many different ages for 20 years for a Fortune 100 company. It’s a matter of hiring people with the right mindset for remote work and knowing how to manage them.

It might work in certain circumstances. Yours is a great example of that.

77 posted on 08/03/2023 11:37:50 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: ShadowAce

As commercial real estate goes south.

Big liberal run cities are going to have big revenue declines in property taxes.

Welcome to reality.

5.56mm


78 posted on 08/03/2023 11:38:44 AM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho have got to go)
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To: Nifster
Bunch of lazy pajama loungers

Lazy? Certainly not the ones I deal with, and calling any of them lazy ignores the reality that so many of them will never "return to the office" because they live several states away.

Our remote workers are far, far better than our locals. It's not even close.

79 posted on 08/03/2023 11:39:57 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: blackdog

“how does a company train a new hire? How do they develop and mentor a new hire?”

Before I retired that was exactly what I did.

We spent one week in the local office where I gave “basic training” and showed them how to find information they needed. In most cases they were from elsewhere in the country so they had to fly into my area.

Then both of us went home.

The next few weeks they had lots of questions which I handled with daily phone calls and lots of instant messaging.

As they got up to speed the phone calls and IMs were still there but less frequent.

After six months or so they were good to go.

Easy peasy.


80 posted on 08/03/2023 11:41:16 AM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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