I expect a repeat in 2024. The left has infiltrated every part of the election system in the swing states.
The first time I remember going with my Dad when he voted was 1960, New York had these wonderful mechanical voting machines where you changed the state of a mechanical lever to vote, and opened the curtain with a big red lever which locked your votes and reset the levers. These machines were invented to limit paper ballot cheating, but like paper ballots, they would yield a tally by the early morning hours of the following day, and that was that. Yes, you could recount the ballots or re-tally the machines, but the results existed in physical form in the possession of authorities (i.e., the results were “analog”). In essence, “Election Day” was when everything happened and by Wednesday morning it was over.
What has been happening since 2000 (and maybe before) is the use of media, and technology, to create a condition where nobody knows what the result truly is - nobody knows how many votes were cast, nobody knows which votes count and which ones don’t, and the final tally can change for days and even weeks (or until the Democrat wins). Most of the results, and now a lot of the votes themselves, are no longer analog but digital, and exist only as an ordered set of electrons, subject to change in many ways by many people.
This has created a fundamental change in public perception, and you can see it even here on FR. People go on and on about whether or not a winner has been “declared”, usually by media people who have no access to the real data. As electronic voting, and now even apps meant to run on handhelds, define reality, we may be approaching or already be at the point where most people are accepting of the proposition that “nobody knows who won, we have to rerun the program, we have to call in the experts, it was Russian bots, it was Craig Livingstone, etc., etc.).
This problem is of course compounded by early voting, mail-in voting, drop boxes, absentee voting, overseas voting, etc.
On election night in 1932, everybody knew that FDR had won a big victory - that in a country with no electronic media, no computers, and half paralyzed by depression. On election night in 1952, there were more votes for Eisenhower than Stevenson, and everybody knew THAT.
Eight years ago (a century in digital years), Hugh Hewitt wrote a book called, “If It’s Not Close, They Can’t Cheat”. As long as people believe that only digital wizards can actually determine the result, that may no longer be true.
If we could conduct and tally elections in 1932 and 1952, we should be able to do it now - except that would upset our masters, who have worked so hard to create the status quo. They certainly won’t give it up without a fight.
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“The choice for mankind lies between freedom and happiness and for the great bulk of mankind, happiness is better.”
Until the happiness turns into fear due to loss of freedom.
Much like the “those who surrender liberty for safety end up with neither”.
Most Americans do not realize that 100% of Joe Biden's huge 7 million vote lead in 2020 came from two states - New York and California.
Donald Trump had a 37,000 vote lead in the other 48 states and the District of Columbia.
“What is Election Certification?”
It’s a piece of paper that says the democrat won.
“Began with Florida”
Immediately after Bushwon FL, Sen Chris Dodd, Ct proposed HAVA Help America Vote Act. As one Dodd done in CT said: “Its as if it was writtn specifically for me”. That HAVA contractor is the contractor “won” the bid for the GA voter rgistration system.
HAVA is FREE MONEY to state and local election authorities, all they have to do is contract with HAVA approve contractors. Who can resist FREE MONEY ?
Until complainers start following the money and who controls the money their complaints are meaningless. When the Rpublicans had everything in 2017 one of the first things they should have done was kill HAVA, EAC and federal control of elections thru bribery.
But Republican election officials love the FREE MONEY just as much as Demorat election officials.
As a side note to this thread, please consider the following about election certification.
Also taking electoral vote-counting integrity into consideration, the most important criterion in election certification is did state and federal governments fully comply with both the 12th Amendment (12A; electoral vote procedures) and Section 2 of the 14th Amendment (14A) with respect to allegations of vote-counting fraud, Section 2 a penalty for states where vote-counting fraud occurred?
Excerpted from 12A:
"The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice- President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate [emphasis added], ..."
Excerpted from 14A:
"Section 2: Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State." [Section 2: Apportionment of Representatives]
"Section 5: The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."
The bottom line is that the corrupt, constitutionally undefined political parties that have pirated control of state and federal governments imo, blatantly ignored the due process of both 12A and Section 2 of 14A in both 2020 (J6) and 2022 with respect to allegations of vote-counting problems, problems with 12A arguably going back 100+ years.
Regarding 12A, consider that the states surrendered their power to make politically correct "winner take all" laws for electoral votes for example, when they ratified that amendment imo.
In fact, Justice Joseph Story had later explained that when political parties divide a state's electoral votes, doing so weakens (obviously) a state's electoral votes for each candidate.
"In case of any party divisions in a state, it may neutralize its whole vote [emphasis added], while all the other states give an unbroken electoral vote." —Justice Joseph Story, Article 2, Section 1, Clauses 2 and 3, Commentaries on the Constitution 3, 1833."
After all, a state's federal senators voting yes and no on a given issue likewise neutralizes that state's votes for that issue.
Regarding Section 2 of 14A, consider the "hair trigger" wording of that penalty that renegade states and J6 lawmakers scandalously ignored imo.
"is denied to any"
"or in any way abridged,"
"14th Amendment, Section 2: Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State." [Apportionment of Representatives]".
If this were a better world, the federal government would be publicly warning the states for every election that the feds will be darkening their doorway to investigate allegations of violations of 12A and Section 2.
With Section 2 in mind, consider that the post-Civil War congressional Republicans who drafted Section 2 made it to discourage southern Democrats (my words) from rigging the ballot boxes that Democrats are now alleged to have done for 2020, and now 2022 elections!
"Because slavery (except as punishment for crime) had been abolished by the Thirteenth Amendment, the freed slaves would henceforth be given full weight for purposes of apportionment. This situation was a concern to the Republican leadership of Congress, who worried that it would increase the political power of the former slave states, even as such states continued to deny freed slaves the right to vote." —Apportionment of Representatives
So evidenced by alleged mischief in 2020 and 2022 elections, are political Democratic descendants of the Civil War arguably trying to flip the outcome of the Civil War?
The bottom line is this. Both Democratic and Republican Trump supporters need to initiate Trump's return to the Oval office by primarying ALL incumbent state and federal lawmakers and executives up for reelection (except for MTG, Gaetz, others?).
After all, lawmakers and executives continue to show that they do not have the patriotism and leadership skills necessary to find legislative support for effective remedies for unconstitutional government policies.
In fact, consider that since one of the very few powers that the states have expressly constitutionally given to the big, bad federal government to dictate peacetime domestic policy is to run the Mail Service (most federal domestic policy actually based on stolen state powers imo), the worst problem that the country would otherwise be looking at with a new Congress of freshman lawmakers is arguably a delay with mail delivery.
"Article I, Section 8, Clause 7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads;"
Trump can endorse candidates from lists that Constitution-savvy patriots recommend as long as candidates are not incumbents, candidates also promising to repeal the 16th (direct taxes) and 17th (popular voting for federal senators) Amendments after they win office.
The definition of insanity is reelecting your beloved career state and federal lawmakers and executives over and over again, expecting those same politicians to find remedies for unconstitutional government policies every time.
Patriots, let's not allow ourselves to be fooled for a third time in 2024.