[freedumb2003]

I beg to differ

[Alas Babylon!]

We are some of the most adaptable animals ever.

I can see humanity splitting up into several different paths, and once in space, become new and separate species.

[rktman]

Well if we don’t hurry and fix the climate problem.......😵😂👍

[EEGator]

Destroying certain homogeneous societies will cause the world to be a shittier place.
QED

[Vaquero]

Perhaps. The swamp butt holes are trying hard to start a nuclear war with Russia. Suicidal

[BitWielder1]

The only serious threat to humanity is human politics.
Everything else we can beat back.

[Worldtraveler once upon a time]

"In a 1962 edition of Scientific American, the ecologist John B Calhoun presented the results of a macabre series of experiments conducted at the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH). 1 He had placed several rats in a laboratory in a converted barn where – protected from disease and predation and supplied with food, water and bedding – they bred rapidly. The one thing they were lacking was space, a fact that became increasingly problematic as what he liked to describe as his 'rat city' and 'rodent utopia' teemed with animals. Unwanted social contact occurred with increasing frequency, leading to increased stress and aggression. Following the work of the physiologist, Hans Selye, it seemed that the adrenal system offered the standard binary solution: fight or flight. 2 But in the sealed enclosure, flight was impossible. Violence quickly spiralled out of control. Cannibalism and infanticide followed. Males became hypersexual, pansexual and, an increasing proportion, homosexual." More...

In "The urban animal: population density and social pathology in rodents and humans"

Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2636191/

The article ends with "In focusing upon crowding, not only were the benefits of dense city-living ignored, but other causes of urban pathology, such as poverty and inequality, were neglected. Yet Calhoun's work considered many of these factors, suggested how they could be overcome, and as such, his role deserves reconsideration."

Yup. More reconsideration.

One watches a "utopia," San Francisco, as its businesses fell downtown, poop maps are map, public nudity allowed, and S&M marches held, while the REITs continue into deeper trouble. reconsideration is indeed apt.

For more on the Calhoun experiment, "John B. Calhoun's Mouse Utopia Experiment and Reflections on the Welfare State,"

Source: https://fee.org/articles/john-b-calhoun-s-mouse-utopia-experiment-and-reflections-on-the-welfare-state/

[GingisK]

Civilization has risen and fallen many times on our Earth. I heartily believe that we are rapidly approaching the collapse, just to start from the beginning once more.

It does make one eager to understand why we keep reaching a pinnacle, then destroying it. Maybe we have a self-destruct switch in our DNA.

[alexander_busek]

Every species would have a limit in its ability to develop their societies.

Why is this sentence in the subjunctive mood, rather than in the indicative mood? I.e.: Why would every species have such a limit?

Or is this the conditionalis irrealis: Every species would have a limit - if only... What?!

And does the author really mean every species? So: Pigeons, skunks, fleas, Clown Fish, etc.? There are limits to their ability to develop their societies?! Really?! Do they even have societies to develop?

Regards,

[Phoenix8]

Professor Dutton on YouTube has many videos on the subject. It’s basically dysgenics caused by the greatly increased survival rates of defective genetic combinations and mutations in a protective and nurturing civilization. The answer of course is simple, go back to a system of Eugenics. However the Nazi (and other places) radical methods used and subsequent socialistic movements which champion radical egalitarianism have smeared and black listed any talk of that. A shame too because it could be done in a very humanitarian way…example no taxes on heathy/brilliant/ productive parents who have big (bio) families and harsh prison terms on the criminal elements (something that was routinely done in a majority of our history anyway) which are nearly all low IQ compared to the norm—-Dr Hannibal Lector types the exceptions to the rule. Instead we literally pay the most unproductive females of our society to stay home and have kids (ADC—-thanks LB Johnson).

[W.]

Scum rises to the top, or more bluntly, shit floats. I offer our current government leaders as a prime example of my statement.

[arizonarick]

Evolution happens!
So, is it triggered by internal programming, or external pressures, or both?
Conflicts and wars everywhere.

[BitWielder1]

The developed world responded to the perceived population pressure (or propaganda thereof) by limiting our birthrate to below replacement.
The underdeveloped world did not, they are invading the developed world instead. And we are stupid enough to allow it.

I believe humans are perfectly capable of adapting to new situations, given accurate information.
But accurate information is apparently in short supply. On purpose. We are being manipulated.
I don't buy into the Climate or Population hysteria, because even if it was real, we have the capacity to deal with it.
We can build better, we can relocate north or south, drilling for water, energy and growing food is not magic.

[Vaduz]

Sterilization would be a great help besides many don’t want kids but like making them.

Help them out a win win deal.

[discostu]

I don’t think it’s a good assumption that if the species hit its limit that top would begin to democratize. For one that democratizing would be a continued evolution, thus showing society hasn’t hit its limit. And really what’s a limit? The world is constantly changing, people are constantly changing, society is constantly changing.