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To: Melian; Melinda in TN; pops88; LadyDoc; All
It's not just about the paint. In 1978 lead was removed from gasoline as an additive. the gasoline engine fumes settled all over the place and people had permanent health effects as a result.

A charm from a bracelet that had been mostly made of lead was accidently swallowed by a child and the child died before the Drs. figured out why the child got progressively sicker. The only part of that charm that wasn't lead was the paint coating. By the way, it was made in China.

Lead was banned in France as far back as 1840. Australia banned it's use in around 1880. The US. didn't ban it's use until 1978 because the Paint manufacturer's had a good lobby effort. Many old paint contractor's had serious health problems.


333 posted on 07/12/2023 8:39:40 AM PDT by Kalam (The Qonjurer)
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To: Kalam

I knew about the lead in gasoline but not the rest until it was in paint and water.

I do know that they either did, or they tried, to remove lead fishing sinkers and lead bullets and shotgun pellets. I don’t know how that turned out.

China will always do the cheapest. They don’t care about safe. China junk scares me but it seems like we don’t make anything anymore. My dog bowls are all stainless.


334 posted on 07/12/2023 8:46:49 AM PDT by Melinda in TN
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To: Kalam

I appreciate your point, Kalam.

But several of your examples are of people doing weird things like chewing on electrical wires. Even pure water can kill you if you drink too much of it.

Lead saved my reproductive organs during cobalt radiation. Lead is still widely used for car batteries, pigments, ammunition, cable sheathing, weights for lifting, weight belts for diving, lead crystal glass, radiation protection and in some solders. It is often used to store corrosive liquids. It can be used for good or bad, like anything.

The point of the meme was that the Derps have tried to outlaw things that protect us from their harmful plans. I hope that helps.


335 posted on 07/12/2023 8:54:57 AM PDT by Melian ( Reminder: Memes are made to make you think or laugh. Verify for yourself before reposting. )
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To: Kalam

If I recall, lead is one of those heavy metals that accumulates in the body, doesn’t get filtered out or excreted very readily, so a tiny amount isn’t a huge issue but many tiny amounts adds up to enough to cause real harm.

Lead, in itself, is a very stable material. Great insulator for radiation as noted, a great protectant in paint, doesn’t rust or corrode, and melts at a low point. Making it ideal for many applications.

In the power industry, we painted steel transmission line towers with lead paint in the distant past, but now use a zinc-based protectant paint. You have to protect that steel with something or it will rust and degrade. Lead was cheap and plentiful, which is why it was used.

My friend casts his own bullets out of lead (with a little bit of antimony), but he takes some serious precautions. Well-ventilated area, away from the house, washes up thoroughly when done. And heats it enough to melt without creating a great deal of vapors in the first place.

Lead is/was great for many purposes - BUT, but, but - it’s toxic. We people didn’t really know the level of toxicity of lead back in the day. My dad and uncle, in the 1930s, used to make toy soldiers out of lead. pour the melted lead into molds and cast them. That was a thing back then.


357 posted on 07/12/2023 9:53:42 AM PDT by meyer (FBI = KGB for the DNC; IRS = Gestapo)
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To: Kalam; Melian
The following is my response to the debate surrounding the meme about lead paint.

I think the meme has a point but it over simplifies it, and the first response I had was to reject it outright. People can think of instances wherein lead harmed. It's true that lead can help too, but the meme seemed, just speaking to my own experience, to drive recall of counter information FIRST.

In my own example, I thought of the report re the Chernobyl melt-down. To try to protect the public, the Soviets flew sorties in helicopters over the destroyed nuclear reactor and dumped lead on the radioactive fuel. They hadn't anticipated that the heat of the molten fuel would vaporize the lead and the populace was subjected to toxic levels of lead in the air.

So I thought removing the lead from the paint might be good for a second reason, aside from direct unsupervised ingestion, in that house fires would also release lead into the air.

It took me a few tries to see Melian's point - that our entire lives have been crafted to allow them to control us. I think that's an important point even with the lead issue. But for me the problem is the meme has to 'work' in an environment wherein lead is ALSO  toxic. So 'lead is toxic' if ingested or inhaled is true and the proposition that they would remove lead for better electronic surveillance may also be true.

It might work for me if the meme acknowledged that lead is a bio toxin and that was reason enough to remove it, but that wouldn't motivate our enemies to remove it; perhaps they only removed lead from paint when it imposed on their electronic surveillance plans (If that theory is true).  Q's 'baby on floor, hands in mouth' (chlorine) drop indicates part of what the meme is getting at - that common things in our environment are harming us, put there by our enemies.

I believe this meme kicks it up a notch - things removed from our environment may have been protective in some way. During the Covid lockdowns and our research on treatments, I found myself reading about 'glutathione' and the protective or necessary role in human health and around the same time discovered content that claims (true I think) that continued use of Acetominophen reduces glutathione production. I wondered if this was a Q example. Before Covid, I started reading how horrible aspirin secretly was - and wondered how it had been so successful all these years, and noted that Acetominophen had essentially 'replaced it'. So I wondered if this an example of removing something safe/good and replacing it with something harmful - ahead of a plandemic that would involve glutathione production.

Q1010

Q1114 clarifies for anons that the problem is there is chlorine in floor cleaners. So children are ingesting chlorine. A friend I know objected to chlorinated drinking water in his home because he could smell it when he took a hot shower, complaining, "Chlorine gas in showers?!"

Lately this Q drop had been coming back to me because I found it odd that I understood it at the time, it changed my world view a bit, but I didn't act on it - as if resigned or wut?

So I have been looking anew at products taken for granted. I tried buying a new crock pot made in China (as is everything else) and found there are strenuous arguments about lead leaching from the ceramic post that line the appliances. I purchased one made of stainless steel (made in China), and then spent a little time wondering what toxin might have been added to what used to be ordinary stainless steel. I'm trying to phase out purchased cleaners and am thinking about trying alternatives that may have their own problems. One is vinegar for cleaning floors. Some floor cleaners are toxic to pets on the floor - why wouldn't they be toxic to babies? Supposedly vinegar sanitizes and the repulsive odor evaporates quickly and it's pet safe.

So I now understand Melian's meme better (it made me think, H/T Melian) and yet I think it doesn't 'work' as intended. For some it immediately brings to mind misery and suffering on a scale hard to describe so the intention, which was initially lost in the mist for me, is outweighed by 'provable examples'.

For me this has been educational - the discussion by both Kalam and Melian contributed much to my understanding, both of the potential Deep State influence and the information war aspects of memes that, just in my own opinion, 'work' or don't work. For this reason it contributes to the Q thread.

I am mindful that Kalam's concerns are valid and he therefore finds it offensive. Some viewing the meme would need to see the discussion to benefit from seeing it. Others catch the intent immediately. For those who don't see the discussion, some may conclude we're contemplating provably toxic chemicals are secretly non-toxic and removed to increase surveillance. I put  myself in that last category - I (mistakenly) would have rejected the meme in the wild as nonsense, provably false, had it not been posted by Melian on the Q thread.

I hope Kalam will post the URL containing his objections to the mods by clicking report abuse or FReepmail and ask them if it should be removed for the reasons he provided.

I thank Kalam and Melian for contributing meaningfully to thread growth and knowledge on a very difficult, even distressing, topic.


434 posted on 07/12/2023 3:14:07 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: Kalam; ransomnote

I remember a public service radio ad in the early 1970s about the dangers of lead paint:

Paint chips peelin’
From the ceilin’
By my baby’s bed

Eatin’ paint and plaster
I took him to the doctor
Convulsions
Lead poison
The ghetto malaria-a-a

Why, Lord, Why?
Landlord’s lazy
And I’m half crazy
‘Cause my baby’s dead


520 posted on 07/12/2023 9:30:33 PM PDT by grey_whiskers ( The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Kalam
My paternal grandfather's house was sold when he died despite being in the family over 130 years. My father, grandfather, and great-grandfather were all born in the house. It has been on the state registry of historic places since before I was born.

When SweetiePalm and I were married I showed her all the sights of the small town I had grown up in. When we went by granddad's place I was surprised to see it was painted a pale pink. I asked my dad about that and he started laughing.

It seems the new owners took the historic places registry seriously and had searched very carefully to find a spot with many layers of paint and sent a chip off to be analyzed to see what the oldest color was. The analysts sent back a color swatch with a pale pink.

What they didn't know was that the house had always been painted white. The pale pink they found was a byproduct of using blowtorches to remove the old lead based paint.

My dad never did tell them the truth. I think the new color actually looked good on the old house.

WWG1WGA

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

778 posted on 07/13/2023 8:10:40 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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