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1 posted on 07/03/2023 9:10:50 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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I wonder how a hydrogen strategy would compare….


2 posted on 07/03/2023 9:13:25 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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Does this include a factor in mining of the various ingredients if you will? I have always figured at the end of the day these cars will be about the same impact. I’m on one hybrid, no electrics, lots of gas over the years. I love the hybrid for the 60 miles a gallon, but I sure love the gas for power. I could not imagine buying an electric car and being dependent upon availability of electricity to recharge, especially living out in the rural area like Nevada.


3 posted on 07/03/2023 9:14:58 PM PDT by Reno89519 (DeSantis 2024. Successful Governor, Honorable Veteran, Respectful, Respected.)
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One more time. C02 is PLANT FOOD. Those that produce the most C02 should receive AWARDS for the real greening of the Earth.

Instead of sequestering C02, we should sequester the envirowackos, all on the same island, with plenty of bugs to eat (until the bugs eventually eat them)


6 posted on 07/03/2023 9:21:51 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus III (Do, or do not, there is no try)
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Difference is small and more importantly, CO2 is not a problem.

Air pollution/smog is a thing, but that’s not CO2.


8 posted on 07/03/2023 9:38:52 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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Take note of who produced that life cycle graphic...

“Polestar and Rivian Pathway Report”

Two EV manufacturers.


9 posted on 07/03/2023 9:45:45 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Faux News: "We distort, you deride")
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Since these EV’s, because of the weight of the battery, are significantly heavier than gas-powered vehicles, they will wear down road surfaces faster. They will also require more tire replacements. For instance, electric models from Ford, Volvo and Toyota were all roughly 33 per cent heavier than the gas-powered versions of the same vehicles. Increased road repairs require massive energy to transport road materials, equipment, labor and the fuels to run the repair equipment. This cost of repair will mean more dollars out of our pockets in taxes.

The carbon Chicken Littles are too worried about the sky falling than to concern themselves with the factual consequences of their chicken-brained illusions.


11 posted on 07/03/2023 10:26:13 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Leftniks chase illusions of motherships at the end of the pier.)
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One looks at “facts” prepared by the battery vehicle cheerleading squad and wonders just how factual they really are.


14 posted on 07/03/2023 10:34:34 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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I’ve always said a hybrid was the logical first step. A 40% reduction in fuel usage and easy to convert current car production. That would buy the time to ramp up production of the rare materials used in EVs.


18 posted on 07/03/2023 10:48:49 PM PDT by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting)
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I'd be curious to see these numbers in a per capita miles driven basis.

My guess is that the hybrid car would win in per capita miles driven because the EV wouldn't be driven as many miles due to distance between recharge and recharge rate limitations.

The hybrid can be driven for longer distances on the same tank of gas than a solo internal combustion engine car, so the emissions would be spread out over more miles driven.

I've driven across the country in an ICE car several times and half-way across the country in a hybrid. I can't imagine doing that in an EV at all.

-PJ

19 posted on 07/03/2023 10:57:19 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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The assumption is clean generation of electricity. The grid is only 33% efficient, and nuclear has gone the way of the dinosaur. I don’t trust thus stuff, the devil is always in the details.


20 posted on 07/03/2023 11:04:06 PM PDT by D Rider ( )
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From an electric car maker?

Yeah, sure. I trust that.


24 posted on 07/03/2023 11:58:11 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance.)
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These CO2 fanatics never heard of photosynthesis.

It’s taught in grade school science class. Furthermore…

https://www.dutchgreenhouses.com/en/technology/co2-enrichment/

29 posted on 07/04/2023 12:46:52 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn’t common anymore.)
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Wow, that's a lot of carbon emissions.

You know what else emits a lot of carbon? Humans.

33 posted on 07/04/2023 2:33:16 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again" - J. Hendrix)
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all of this is moot

they are banning gas cars without even the remote possibility of replacing them with EVs

the purpose of this exercise is to ban private transportation

we will be on the bus


35 posted on 07/04/2023 3:12:52 AM PDT by joshua c (to disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives, cut the cable tv)
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They would need to account for the what the lifetime of each vehicle is.

I.e., how frequently are the EV batteries replaced within the 200k miles that a ICE vehicle can last easily now?


38 posted on 07/04/2023 3:49:52 AM PDT by fruser1
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These numbers consider a use phase of 16 years and a distance of 240,000 km (149,129.09 miles)

Do the batteries even last 16 years?

I'm driving a 2001 F150 with 295,000 miles (474,756.48 km) and I'm quite sure it will make it to 400,000 miles. At that point, the entire truck can be scrapped and the sheet steel, cast iron and cast aluminum recycled into something new. I could also rebuild everything myself and run it to 500,000 miles.

It's all a mute point though since the infrastructure isn't there to charge all the vehicles if everyone goes EV.

43 posted on 07/04/2023 4:37:46 AM PDT by Pollard ( >>> The Great Rest is already underway! <<<)
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That chart isn’t even close to the cost of an EV.


46 posted on 07/04/2023 4:58:10 AM PDT by CodeToad (No Arm up! They have!)
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Notice they didn’t include mining for the battery elements. Just, “production”, which makes me think the manufacturing of the actual battery and not harvesting the materials.


63 posted on 07/04/2023 12:14:11 PM PDT by Tacrolimus1mg (Do no harm, but take no sh!t.)
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