Posted on 06/22/2023 11:40:24 AM PDT by DallasBiff
What happens when a dangerous activity goes wrong? The existence of a waiver form may not deter a wrongful death lawsuit.
The decision by five people to undertake a dangerous and most likely ill-fated undersea voyage to visit the wreck of the Titanic is raising questions on many fronts.
What prompted the travelers? A shared sense of adventure and a curiosity about the sunken Titanic wreckage — itself a 111-year-old deep-sea monument.
Led by OceanGate Expeditions CEO Stockton Rush, the passengers — British businessman Hamish Harding; Shahzada Dawood who is a member of a wealthy Pakistani family along with his son, Suleman; and Paul Henry "P.H." Nargeolet, a French seafarer and Titanic expert — boarded the Titan, a carbon-fiber submersible vessel, on Sunday, June 18.
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Nope. Consent forms may not stand up in court.
Experts say that no set rubric determines whether a business will have to pay damages in the event of a mishap and that most operators buy liability insurance anyway because the waiver forms they ask clients to sign may not ultimately be enforceable.
In the U.S., whether a business operator becomes liable for a catastrophe can depend on the laws of the state where the business operates or even a judge’s interpretation of the waiver form, said Kenneth S. Abraham, a distinguished professor of law at the University of Virginia.
The owner was on the sub. He is dead. This company is over. It has taken it’s website down.
The best that could come out of this is that no vessel as crappy as this thing will ever be allowed to sell a ride to anywhere. Better yet, people can see how idiotic it is to go on a vessel that is unsafe and has been declared unsafe by many others.
And I am pretty darned sure that their company had no liability insurance.
Maybe they can sue Home Depot since the boat was put together using materials that Home Depot provided…..
/sarc
And criminal negligence voids any waiver.
So you are saying, that 2 billionaires, who didn't look into their dangerous journey indepently, are totally innocent?
They knew they were going on a dangerous journey, and signed the waiver.
Seriously, let The Titanic be. Wasn’t that crappy movie enough?
When a submarine gets pressure crushed and implodes/explodes, it is *noisy*. Military submarines can detect much fainter noises by several factors.
Thus, when in due time they return to port, several navies should examine their recordings to see if and when the Titanic submarine when ‘pop’.
“Since they lied about it being capable of going to 4000 meters then any waiver is going to be worthless.”
It was capable of going to 4000 meters, just not in one piece.
No a customer (regardless of their net worth) cannot sign away liability for injury due to fraud or criminal negligence.
But since there are no deep pockets to seek compensation, it’s a moot point.
Nobody is going to sue anybody. But somebody might go to jail.
Technically it went to 4000 meters.
There was no guarantee they would one back up.
“How do you know the depth they reached before the vessel was destroyed?”
I don’t think he does, but the point being it was going to go to a depth well below what it was evidently rated for. Need was to say, that was an unwise choice.
Go back up.
Stupid autocorrect.
But since there are no deep pockets to seek compensation, it’s a moot point
So you are saying, that 2 billionaires are innocent, even after signing a waiver, for their dangerous journey, which they willingly went on.
Whewww!
FWIW everyone on that boat committed suicide.
That doesn’t mean there wasn’t criminal negligence. And criminal negligence voids any waiver. Period.
What law school did you flunk out of?
Hadn’t this same vessel made this descent successfully before? The previous passengers knew it was dangerous when they went, and they communicated the risks to the ones who were about to go. They were all aware of the risks and willingly went because they were thrill seekers. Or maybe they wanted to DIE doing something they loved rather than succumb to the vaxx or global warming or the possibility of being crushed under a bridge made by DIE architects. Who knows.
Well oblivousy, not the Harvard Law school, where you got your "education".
You hate common sense.
I learned early on in my first semester in law school that common sense has no relevance to the law.
Laws (more these days than in the past) are created by elected idiots who lack common sense or good judgment.
Courts exist to apply and interpret those idiotic laws. And most judges lack common sense as well. If they ever had it, it was rooted out of them in law school.
I don’t think anyone would insure a thing like that.
So who wanted that billionaire guy dead?
They raised their own risks by being racist against white people and the billionaires were gullible enough to jump on
Reap sow dead
“ Seriously, let The Titanic be. Wasn’t that crappy movie enough?”
That’s what they say
I wouldn’t know have enough sense to stay clear
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