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To: jeffersondem
jeffersondem: "His cautionary tale may have been targeting those who would find the need - for whatever reason - to claim that unconditional surrender means the exact same thing as surrender with conditions."

Since you are obviously the expert on "unconditional surrenders", I would invite you to inform us, from your expertise, exactly what each of these men intended by the term "unconditional surrender" and whether you believe that was, in fact, what they achieved:

  1. US Gen. George Washington at the 1781 Battle of Yorketown, VA.

  2. US Gen. Ulysses Grant at the 1862 Battle of Fort Donelson, TN.

  3. US Gen. Ulysses Grant at the 1865 Battle of Appomattox Court House, VA.

  4. US President Franklin Roosevelt's WWII stated terms for surrender of Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy and Imperial Japan.
I'll be most interested to learn your thoughts on the subject, and how they may, or may not, be related to George Orwell's 1940s era warnings.
48 posted on 06/24/2023 10:03:25 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK; x; Michael.SF.; awelliott; central_va; DiogenesLamp
“I'll be most interested to learn your thoughts on the subject (unconditional surrender), and how they may, or may not, be related to George Orwell's 1940s era warnings.”

The prefix “un-” means, so far as I know, not.

So, a new word with that prefix means the opposite of the original.

Unconditional surrender is the opposite of conditional surrender. Don't think of those two words as synonyms.

As to Orwell and his book, he was concerned about sinister forces abusing language for manipulative purposes.

49 posted on 06/24/2023 12:06:43 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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