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To: CheshireTheCat
I have seen Physicians insist on intubation because of ‘low PulseOx’ numbers. Personally, I would advocate for suspension of their Medical Licenses if they failed to obtain an actual ABG (arterial blood gas) in order to confirm Oxygen levels before intubating.

A very great number of people have perfusion issues which can render those miracle pulse oximeters worthless. Even if their fingers are simply cold the numbers can be skewed greatly. Using a pulse ox reading to justify an intubation is in my opinion a mortal sin. A blood gas is absolutely an imperative, and the Oxygen level is not the most important value. The Ph and CO2 are what is needed to determine ‘respiratory failure.’ Recall Ventilation is the NUMBER ONE LIFE FUNCTION. Low Oxygenation levels are normally quickly contended with in most cases without intubation.

I have personally witnessed Doctors intubating patients without ever having obtained an ABG. This is for me difficult to accept. A low O2 level does not always itself justify intubation. People do not appreciate that which is understandable but ought to be explained. A pulse oximeter is cool and flashy, but really has no place in determining a need for intubation. An ET CO2 (measured exhaled CO2) provides much more valuable data.

1,430 posted on 05/02/2023 6:39:52 PM PDT by Radix (The perfect Tag Line is recognized by its conciseness and brev)
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To: Radix

“A very great number of people have perfusion issues which can render those miracle pulse oximeters worthless.”
“I have personally witnessed Doctors intubating patients without ever having obtained an ABG. “
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I would think pulmonologists/critical care docs would have criteria pushed on them from their specialty societies re process flow for appropriate conditions for intubation.

Reason for possible litigation?


1,482 posted on 05/03/2023 4:31:05 AM PDT by smileyface ("The illuminati's whole philosophy demands the use, abuse, sacrifice and consumption of children.")
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To: Radix

Thank you for the explanation.

Perhaps they did run these other tests and it just seemed to my father that they were going off the PulseOx. I can’t ask him now.

I think you explained what other measurements are needed to us before, but I think my father had passed away by then, otherwise I am sure I would have asked him some questions.

If only high school health classes were taught by retired nurses, respiratory therapists, pharmacists, hospital janitors, etc.


1,489 posted on 05/03/2023 6:05:16 AM PDT by CheshireTheCat ("Forgetting pain is convenient.Remembering it agonizing.But recovering truth is worth the suffering")
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