Posted on 03/29/2023 7:42:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Jordanians.
Nope.
Good article, there are others.
Uppidy Jordanians.
They are plain old Arabs.
Bkmk/Palestinians
The Palestinian “Arabs” aren’t actually Arabs from Arabia. They are mostly indigenous populations living in Palestine who converted to Islam and the Arabic language after the Arab conquest in the 8th Century.
“Jews” are the part of the Southern Levantine population who kept their religion and language and mostly migrated elsewhere after the Roman conquest and the Arab conquest.
“Arabs” are the part who converted to Christianity and/or Islam and stayed in the Southern Levant, i.e. Palestine. While the Roman and Arab conquests resulted in some migration into Palestine, there was no wholesale replacement of the peasantry.
Jews and Arabs Share Recent Ancestry
https://www.science.org/content/article/jews-and-arabs-share-recent-ancestry
COLD SPRING HARBOR, NEW YORK—As fighting continues in the Middle East, a new genetic study shows that many Arabs and Jews are closely related. More than 70% of Jewish men and half of the Arab men whose DNA was studied inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors who lived in the region within the last few thousand years.
The results match historical accounts that some Moslem Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel and the Sinai. They were descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times. And in a recent study of 1371 men from around the world, geneticist Michael Hammer of the University of Arizona in Tucson found that the Y chromosome in Middle Eastern Arabs was almost indistinguishable from that of Jews.
Intrigued by the genetic similarities between the two populations, geneticist Ariella Oppenheim of Hebrew University in Jerusalem, who collaborated on the earlier study, focused on Arab and Jewish men. Her team examined the Y chromosomes of 119 Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews and 143 Israeli and Palestinian Arabs. Many of the Jewish subjects were descended from ancestors who presumably originated in the Levant but dispersed throughout the world before returning to Israel in the past few generations; most of the Arab subjects could trace their ancestry to men who had lived in the region for centuries or longer. The Y chromosomes of many of the men had key segments of DNA that were so similar that they clustered into just three of many groups known as haplogroups. Other short segments of DNA called microsatellites were similar enough to reveal that the men must have had common ancestors within the past several thousand years. The study, reported here at a Human Origins and Disease conference, will appear in an upcoming issue of Human Genetics.
Jordan’s an even more modern invention than “Palestine”.
Yes, there were whole tribes of “Arabs” that originated as Christian or Jewish tribes who converted. And not just those living in Israel, but there were such tribes in Arabia proper at the time of the Muslim conquest.
The 1911 edition of the Encyclopædia Britannica article on Palestine written before WWI says the only people living there that call themselves Palestinian are the itinerant herders. The rest identify with one of the surrounding states.
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This is linguistic nonsense. The name that you give to the Arabs living in geographic Palestine/Israel is irrelevant. In 1948 Palestine had a mixed population of Jews and Arabs. The Jews carved out a separate states and called themselves Israelis. The remaining Arabs need a name by which they can be identified. Neither Jew or Arab has a superior claim to the land and both parties need to accept this. They can live in peace either by: 1) dividing the land into two states (the original UN plan, and the original claim of Israel), 2) living together in a single state with equal rights for both populations, or, 3) some sort of federated state along the model of Switzerland. The problem is that neither side wants to accept the rights and the legitimacy of the other. And while this will not be popular, both sides are at fault.
The name is blatantly fraudulent because they can’t be descendants of their namesake Philistines. That’s because, in addition to tearing down the first temple of Solomon, Nebuchadnezzar II systematically exterminated the them. And the odd lucky duck who might have slipped through the cracks would have been assimilated into other tribes and given a new cultural identity more than 2500 years ago.
The name is legitimate as a person who lives in Palestine, just as a New Yorker is a person who lives in New York.
Exactly. There is no such racial group known as “Palestinians’’.
Or “American”.
I counseled a Palestinian guy once, who came to the US to study because Saudi, Egypt, and Jordan ALL excluded him.
Britain established Palestine with the Balfour Declaration in 1917. Prior to that it had been a part of the Ottoman Empire. But ethnically there is no such thing as a race called Palestinian''.
Not sure the point of all this
Some were displaced I know a few of them personally and they were Christian Arabs not Muslims
Such is war
Winners spoils sort of thing
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