Posted on 03/03/2023 3:20:57 PM PST by CFW
Conspiracy + 18 months = truth
A worldwide Bayesian causal Impact analysis suggests that COVID-19 gene therapy (mRNA vaccine) causes more COVID-19 cases per million and more non-Covid deaths per million than are associated with COVID-19
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Move over junk science
There are two types of RNA involved in gene therapy and mRNA isn’t either one of them. Our bodies use mRNA every time they create proteins. mRNA doesn’t do anything to genes. Kirsch is a hedge fund operator not a biologist.
“RNA-based therapies: two types explained”
https://www.genomicseducation.hee.nhs.uk/blog/rna-based-therapies-two-types-explained/
Would you object to calling the Frankenstein’s Monster Not-A-Vax an mRNA gene therapy injection?
If not, why not?
Presuming you won’t insult our intelligence by calling it a vaccine, what would you yourself call it?
Or are you, based on your vocation, just as unqualified to opine in this area as you say Steve Kirsch is?
I suppose the almost three years of fear based “science” is acceptable but pointing out by SCIENCE it was all a lie will be delegated to the back pages?
Can any MD’s who posted on FReeper threads that backed vaccines as safe and effective defend their stance?
I think my definition of gene therapy is a little broader than that.
If an injection causes the machinery of the cell to create certain proteins despite there being no gene for creating such a protein, then the injection is creating the same effect as a gene modification, at least in the short term.
I'm willing to use the term "gene therapy" to describe that. I think that is especially true for injections whose long term ability to create those proteins is unknown.
The mechanism by which these injections create proteins is certainly unique. What term would you use to describe their function? Many have rejected the term "vaccine".
Is it your point that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are safe and effective? If that is what you believe, please share the link that supports that conclusion.
link to original research article:
https://www.opastpublishers.com/open-access-articles/covid19-vaccinesan-australian-review.pdf
forget about kirsch ... look at the source material, the research article published in the Journal of Clinical & Experimental Immunology
https://www.opastpublishers.com/open-access-articles/covid19-vaccinesan-australian-review.pdf
Yes, mRNA is in every living cell on the planet. I never got the Covid vaccine, but I am chock full of mRNA. And yes, it is correct that mRNA does not alter your DNA. And once it delivers its little cookbook for the protein to the ribosome, it rapidly decays. Its time is over.
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Then using your definition viruses do “gene therapy” since they get your cell machinery to produce the proteins that they want, new copies of the virus.
“Many have rejected the term “vaccine”.
There’s plenty of ignorant people sharing opinions. Vaccines do exactly one thing: they train your immune system to recognize an antigen and create an antibody to fight it.
In the past we had to use lab techniques to create antigens and then inject them. But viruses didn’t need labs. Wild viruses would use mRNA to get your cells to make more viruses. But we lacked the knowhow to use that same mRNA to protect you. At least until Malone figured out how to save mRNA from destruction in your bloodstream.
The covid mRNA vaccines do the same thing that the wild viruses do. But instead of generating the entire virus they build only a portion, the spike protein. Your immune system learns it, and builds antibodies to destroy it.
People who get natural immunity from catching covid get that natural immunity courtesy of virus’ mRNA. That doesn’t scare them, probably because none of them know that the virus is basically made of mRNA. But when they hear “mRNA vaccine” they run in terror and we are all going to die.
The covid mRNA vaccines do the same thing that the wild viruses do. But instead of generating the entire virus they build only a portion, the spike protein. Your immune system learns it, and builds antibodies to destroy it.
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But the spike protein itself is toxic. The spike is what makes the SARS-CoV-2 lethal to humans (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome), most likely the result of bioengineering at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
The experimental Covid-19 “vaccine” induces the body to produce billions of spikes that circulate throughout the body including past the blood-brain barrier, causing inflammation, blood clots and a progressively weakened immune system.
The mRNA-based treatments cannot keep up with the mutation rate of the spike, creating a condition known as Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE), increasing the likelihood of being infected and in many cases, increasing the severity of the infection.
My tagline.
Correct. These people and those who post this stuff have no idea what mRNA even is nor do they know what a virus is and how it reproduces. How many times have we seen posts that say “better to get a virus than to have something that hijacks your cells” or the like? Willful, determined ignorance simply to push a narrative with no regard to truth or facts. The relative values of our times that were mainly found on the Left have started to effect the Right as well. Feelings over facts, narratives over facts.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4123622/posts
If this is to be believed from another one of their heroes, it blew the “mRNA” conspiracy out of the water. But they didn’t even realize it and just ran with it. Completely, willfully clueless.
A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.
ADE and ERD occurred with whole virus vaccine attempts for SARS-1 and MERS, which is probably a major reason that no whole virus vaccines were attempted here for SARS-2.
“But the spike protein itself is toxic.”
In that case everyone who ever caught Covid is in big trouble. But there’s no evidence that the spike protein itself is “toxic”. The closest thing to that is VITT, a very rare occurrence seen with Astra-Zeneca and J&J vaccines but not Moderna or Pfizer.
https://www.uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-vaccine-induced-immune-thrombotic-thrombocytopenia-vitt
It took me awhile to realize that the vaccine fearful didn’t have slightest idea that mRNA is a routine part of cell biology and that it goes on all of their life.
The conspiracy grifters figured out right away that no one knew what mRNA is and they have been exploiting that lack of knowledge ever since.
You both hit the nail on the head.
Guys like Kirsch need to be read warily. He can easily fool people and often does.
The same with kooks who claim SARS-CoV-2 has not been “isolated”, or people of any stripe who see green colors at narrative pushing sites like c19ivm.org and conclude Ivermectin MUST be effective without reading studies in detail. Or make wild claims that spoons stick to COVID-19 injection sites (looking at you Sherri Tenpenny, you pathetic quack).
This does not mean that there are not problems with COVID-19 vaccinations. But some of the things that occurred such as vaccinations of children, mandatory vaccinations, etc were policy decisions made in part due to normative science having a foothold in public health, and also policy makers that have few consequences for poor decision making or policy advocacy (looking at you Anthony Fauci).
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