Posted on 01/16/2023 11:01:13 AM PST by Fiji Hill
Masculine male characters seem to be a dying breed in modern movies. Why? Well, I've got a few ideas...
TG:M was largely a ripoff of Star Wars ... And I DON’T CARE.
It was still good.
And Star Wars was a ripoff of The Dam Busters ... And I DON’T CARE.
It was still good.
(there are no atheists in foxholes?)
“ The personnel were a bit “more tan” than likely, but it wasn’t in your face.”
I don’t criticize that too much in the movie…but I do criticize that they absolutely HAD to have hot little female pilot who joked (and folded her arms) just like the big burly guys. Puhleeze. It was so obvious that it really did take away from the movie.
That, and Heimdall being a Negro, was ridiculous.
Nice site but I would put “A Few Good Men” in the woke category.
Read your Norse mythology. Yeah he probably wasn’t fat. But drunk and a mess for sure.
I liked the cocky jerk the best..
After Maverick and Iceman of course...
Enjoy yourself!
I’ve read my Norse Mythology (even been to Iceland).
Nowhere in it is Thor a whining pussy.
He was emasculated in the movie on purpose.
The “tough guy” was a Valkyrie that’s a carpet muncher in the 4th Thor.
Oh no he gets whiny, mostly cause he’s confused and doesn’t understand what’s going on, cause he’s stupid, and drunk. He wasn’t emasculated in the movie, he was down, then he got it together again. That’s a character arc. You want to see Thor emasculated read Freya’s Wedding. He does a bit of whining in that story too.
I suspect this is right about the writers. Beyond that, two elements about male actors: many in the past were veterans of the military, including wartime. They knew things from experience in the real world that most writers could not imagine. Capable of projecting a convincing male, because they had been there. Second, many of the great male actors began their careers on stage, where attention to whole body presentation in full view was demanding and detailed. No editing, no face closeups, no retakes to make it easy. Bogart, Tracy, Olivier, Burton. Many others—stage actors all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqoxk3SrZRw.
She's not aspiring to be called a victim of the patriarchy. She's too busy enjoying her life for such idiocy.
A heavy smoker....
So did Perry Mason’s opponent, Hamilton Burger. Cancer from smoking.
Good points all.
Funny you should mention Bogart.
Watch the clip linked from post #53. As Bogey walks past the fire-plug, he slaps it on top. Not sure why, but that sort of thing has always seemed to me a very “man” thing to do.
I don’t see that sort of subtle, semi-conscious “man” behavior in more modern movies. FWIW.
Fixed it.
Not to mention, in every cable tv series ( especially HBO ) there is an obligatory scene where you have 2 rump rangers going at it.Then there are the scenes where you have to have at least one guy walking around with his d**k swinging to and fro. The turd burglars have taken over the writing staff of all these series
Movies have been moving away from the “strong, silent male” for decades. Conflictedness and vulnerability have been hallmarks of movie heroes for some time. There was a lot of talk about how Paul Newman’s movies were different from earlier westerns and other film dramas. He was supposed to be more sensitive and wounded. It was similar with Montgomery Clift, Marlon Brando, and James Dean. Society has been moving in the same direction. You had to be tough to get through the Depression and a World War. You don’t have to be so tough today. The culture as a whole values self-expression — or at least people can’t seem to stop talking.
Of course male characters are even weaker and more ineffectual now than they were 60 years ago. That’s a reflection of how much society’s changed. It also has something to do with the industry’s need to work “strong female protagonists into every movie. Have an omni-competent male hero and it’s “sexist.” Have an omni-competent heroine and it’s woke and up-to-date and “liberating.”
Director Howard Hawks:
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001328/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
Most of the leading men today, the younger men especially, are a little bit effeminate. There’s no toughness. Steve McQueen and Clint Eastwood don’t compare with John Wayne.
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