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To: Cletus.D.Yokel; LittleLinda
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Q ~ Trust Trump's Plan ~ 01/04/2023 Vol.444, Q Day 1895, Cletus.D.Yokel wrote:

:: I learned that the opposite of love isn’t hate because they’re both intense emotions that make a person want to interact with the one evoking the strong emotion. The opposite of love is indifference. ::

That sounds so warm, fuzzy, thoughtful and Hegelian.

Now do “good and evil aren’t opposites”.
Hegel could.
Did you know that Karl Marx was a scholastic child of Hegel?

LittleLinda's post are reliably thoughtful.

It turns out Hegel was right about this.I watched it play out in my friend's gruesome divorce. They were then sharing custody of a child with brain cancer. I'd listen to her emphasize the importance of the child being taken on time to medical appointments or other service appointments/events, and then see the creep husband 'forget'. She would then furiously demand to know why the child didn't make it to the appointments and whatever creep husband's response was, she would leave angrier. Rinse and repeat.

I finally ventured where I normally NEVER go (into the middle of divorce issues) with her. I told her that when she emphasized that the parent teacher meeting was important, I knew that creep husband wasn't going to attend it. I said when she begged/negotiated/complained about the child's medical insurance premium (hubby 'forgot' to pay it while kid was having a series of complex surgeries), I was certain he would 'forget' again and again.

I said her creep of a husband wanted to see her engaging with him - looking at him, focusing with intensity on him, just for the purpose of 'enjoying' her pain and his power to cause it. I encouraged her not to engage at all. She worried he wouldn't follow through on the child's needs and I pointed out he wasn't doing so with requests, negotiations, bribes etc., much less complaints.

So the next week, when she dropped the child off at his father's house, she quietly noted that the boy's special needs basketball game was at 4pm on Saturday. Creep husband drawled, "Yeah, I'm thinking I just don't feel like going...."   She briskly announced that he was disgusting and walked away. Creep was shocked. SHOCKED. She learned later that the boy was taken to basketball. And so the power of attention was removed.

My story is not warm or fuzzy, but it's just one of many ways I know Hegel, and LittleLinda were right. On the Chans, the Anons didn't make expulsion of trolls a 'line in the sand' because they wanted the freedom of speech the website offered. They coached noobs to ignore trolls and just got 'business done' despite the howling trolls. And here we are today (i.e., their strategy worked) with red-pilled people calling our threads home.

It's possible that those who demand greater freedom of speech on FR are best served by not demanding that others be silenced, but instead subject their critics to silence.

If collaborating to deny funding based on removal of specific content worked, the Q threads would have been a distant memory long ago.

I've never received the volume of the troll's insults received by those now in contention because I never engaged him. Every post to him opens the door to another volley of his 'content'. I closed that door and focus on posting what people need to read, and if he chooses to 'throw rocks' at me for the content I post, I sometimes make it a point to post more of the same content.


639 posted on 01/06/2023 2:00:10 PM PST by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: ransomnote

It’s all a classic study in narcissistic abuse and how to deal with it.
For those narcissists that have no need to be in one’s life, Gray Rocking is best. This is the case with trolls. Total Gray Rock.


645 posted on 01/06/2023 2:06:36 PM PST by TheConservativeParty (Comfy with Frens 🐸 )
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To: ransomnote

I do appreciate the wall of humanistic sophistry.
I’ll stick with God who is a “no compromise” kind of God.
He has no dialectic to synthesize.


646 posted on 01/06/2023 2:11:21 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Machine-gun jumblies. How'd I miss that? - Austin Powers 2)
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To: ransomnote

It’s possible that those who demand greater freedom of speech on FR are best served by not demanding that others be silenced, but instead subject their critics to silence.
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That gets a great big WOW from me and I hadn’t considered it from that perspective. I saw the biggest example of this when watching instances of the burning of the American flag 🤬.

Initially outraged that this could be permitted in the land that I considered Ground Zero for freedom, I came to understand that your flag is so revered because it represents the land of the free. But that freedom includes the ability to use or abuse the flag in protest. I gained a better appreciation of the ramifications of true freedom with that understanding.

I don’t have to like opinions that are so wildly different than mine, and even quite distasteful, but others being able to express them are the epitome of freedom. If we’re agitated, we can comfort ourselves with the thought that the person burning the flag or expressing the revolting opinion is Sheep Whisperer’s assigned sobriquet.


665 posted on 01/06/2023 2:51:24 PM PST by LittleLinda
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To: SheepWhisperer

Failure to ping. Apologies.


670 posted on 01/06/2023 3:00:11 PM PST by LittleLinda
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To: ransomnote
In the context of this forum, there are rules.

No personal attacks.
Period.

To abdicate ground, be complacent in the face of obvious rule breaking, or to excuse violating behavior is both wrong and a weak posture. We should never give up by half.

Leftists do these tactics consistently to us (and so do abusive people in life) and yet we keep backing up, ignoring, pretending to ignore, comprising, excusing, apologizing and continiously losing strength. The strength and truth of this forum resides in it's members who donate, contribute through posting and encouraging to support this site. Should this continue to falter as it has been trending, then this forum may fall one day. It is the rules and the conservative values (dare I say paleo-conservative values), which are the core of this site. When we give ground to the leftists, the abusers of the rules, the ne-cons and liars we may lose this platform and there are posters here which are directly, overtly and even niavely contributing, via their own egos, to this very goal.

Breaking rules have and should have consequences.
Live not by lies.
Stand for the rules.

We've become a nation of wimps doing all the things mentioned above and we are doing it this forum when we give in to bullies. Just as we are a Constitutional Republic, based on law, so too is this forum an agreement about rules [law]. Should we abdicate to the lack of enforcement of law and even rules, we too become ungovernable and weak. This is a matter of loss and I, FOR ONE,, am tired of giving high ground to reprobate minds and law/rule breakers. This very heart of the matter (live not by lies) is the center of the q threads.

I, FOR ONE and if it is only me,standing alone, will fight for rules and law against all who violate.

It is like defunding the police, or letting criminals off.
IF rule and law are not enforced, then they become meaningless relics when we whimper and scream "injustice!" and then, one day, we will have no argument and no justice, because we “excused” the rules/laws to placate our abusers. The rules/laws will be used against us. In a grand view this is actually happening even now and while we scream against it happening, we placate it's plan by receding ground. This must stop!

LIVE NOT BY LIES!

719 posted on 01/06/2023 4:49:03 PM PST by SheepWhisperer ("Stone is heavy and sand a burden, but the provocations of a fool are heavier than both" PRO 27:3)
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