Posted on 12/31/2022 6:27:03 PM PST by nwrep
Doesn’t keep the US from hiring them. They’re technically competent, but are utterly disdainful of getting their hands dirty. They get the idea that because they’re “professionals”, they don’t have to perform any physical labor whatsoever....and that includes leaving their desk to actually go out on a job site.
We had a good coder from Serbia. His only downside was that he knew that everyone else was “an idiot” and their code “sucked”.
I have worked with many Indian Engineers. Some are great. Most are useless. But they satisfy the corporate ‘diversity’ need. Extremely troublesome. Our large company would hire offshore Indian Engineers, praise them, pat ourselves on the back, and then do the work ourselves.
Mike Lee wants 10s of millions more Indians right here in America in your neighborhood!
Go to any Supply Chain Conference - 75% of WMS & TMS systems Engineers are from India
I can never understand a word they say. Even though they are supposed to be speaking English.
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Often when speaking amongst themselves, it sounds to me like a two-stroke motorcycle or chainsaw idling.
I’ve got some buddies that worked with a few Indian guys. Most of them had some basic blocks of code built, and if they couldn’t copy-paste them to get something working (and with almost no bug/error-testing for non-optimal user usage), they often had a buddy back in India or maybe here who would then mash some code together. No sense of security or best practices, what documentation they did do was terrible and sometimes not related to what the code actually did.
And castes were an issue - If the smartest Indian on the team happened to be from a lower caste than the other guys, he was completely ignored and just as useless as if he didn’t know anything.
I saw plenty of this in my industry - AV. One of our clients has some business partnerships with a couple Indian companies, basically mentoring them. End of year, they have their parties so we’re setting up remote streams between our big employee party here and theirs. We’ve got a complex video switcher system, a couple cameras/shaders, playback, PPT, records, and full audio setup as well. Both Indian companies basically had a laptop on a cart that we streamed to/from, I forget what software we used at the time. Way before Zoom started spying on everyone, probably before teams as well. Anyways, we’re just sitting around waiting, all our stuff is good to go. They have a team of folks in India and a couple guys with us, all trying to figure out why the audio wasn’t working or the video looked bad or this or that. It was ridiculous, needed one person on either end to set up, yet it took them almost an hour both times to get it running and looking half-decent.
Actually I’m still working for a few more (3-5) years.
I was an electronics design engineer for AN/SQQ-89 and then technical manager on AN/BSY2 program. Started out as a sub hunter from the surface, to sub hunter/killer under sea. Then Experimental Physicist at an Electron/Positron Collider and from there into medical equipment design management. Currently working as design engineering manager for high speed commercial printers.
I’ve worked with a lot of engineers. Some are very good, others are really bad, not much in the middle. The Rooskies have some really imaginative engineers who can take absolute rubbish and still make it work. Chinese tend to be not as visionary, and choose to make things more complicated than is necessary. Indians tend to be the “easy way” and not the most robust designs (i.e overload components with too wide tolerances [i.e 10% resistor vs 1%] ). I’ve worked with some outstanding Germán engineers, and other Germans who were weapons-grade stupid.
For the most part all of these things were VFW’s (Very few Women) All positions were mostly white (>80%), a few Slants (in order of capability... Jap, Korean, Chi) one or two Indians who were uniformly the weakest.
The Indian are clannish, but that is because they fear losing their status and being deported if they haven’t made the jump to green card holder.
That’s quite the amazing background.
You could probably write an interesting autobiography.
I grew up in the Bay Area, and I still get bugged when people refer to SF as “Frisco.”
This is a cultural thing. America, and some Eastern Bloc nations, produce “nerds” who are excellent at IT. The rest of the world produces techs who are more concerned with the title on their business cards, and with advancing into management as quickly as possible.
It’s not a skill problem, it’s an attitude problem that IMO stems from the fatalistic Hindu culture and extreme deference to authority drilled in by both that and British occupation.
I worked for a very brief time with a Indian [dot] woman S/W engineer.
She was very intelligent and got my legacy system enhanced to dance to my tune in very short order.
I was impressed.
No typical dragged out s/w coding / spec writing drama.
Totally EZ PZ.
We’ve long debated whether the better engineers were those who grew up working on their cars or grew up working on everything on their farm. Ultimately the best ones knew how to tell management to take a hike.
Ruh Roh!
That’s a solid finding.
While HR wins for stupidity, I’ve found young MBAs that can’t see past the current fiscal quarter are the most destructive entity I deal with.
My British colleague loved Indian food, so we often dined at Bombay Palace restaurant in downtown Chicago. They served tandoori chicken with freshly made naan with stuffed onions and chillies. We could not get enough of that restaurant. One time I asked him if he would like to try a vegetarian Indian restaurant. He said not really because he probably will not find anything to eat there. But finally, he agreed to try it.
To make a long story short, on the way out of the restaurant he says, I can see why Indians can live on vegetarian food. There were so many tasty dishes to pick from in that buffet.
I work with a slew of Indians and they STINK as developer and THRIVE on multi step NVA undocumented procedures to get the smallest thing done.
Dumber than a bag of hammers but cheap and put in a ton of free OT,
They have muddied up the ERP IT Consulting industry terribly.
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