Posted on 12/16/2022 4:02:55 PM PST by CDR Kerchner
(Dec. 15, 2022) — What if your humble servant were to reveal something here at The P&E which could, once and for all, put an end to “natural born Citizen” (“nbC”) debate raging in the comments sections of numerous posts here? What if recently-discovered “hard” evidence – in the form of a letter from John Jay to David Brearley, Chairman of the “Committee on Postponed Matters” at the Constitutional Convention in 1787 – was produced? And what if that letter confirmed the intent of the Founders to rely on § 212 of Emmerich de Vattel’s treatise The Law of Nations for its definition of an nbC, requiring birth in the nation to parents who were already U.S. Citizens? Would that change any of the minds of those who believe that the only criterion for an nbC is to be born here as a “citizen at birth” or a “citizen by birth?” Curious? Read on. ...
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Incorrect, it wasn't until the 1930s that a female could past citizenship to her child. Prior to that citizenship was passed solely by the father. So if the father had US citizenship his child was a US citizen. If the father was German the child was German, etc. The wife assume the citizenship of her husband. Bastard children screwed everything up.
“Nobody likes you.”
Grow up, troll.
Second, even if it isn't b.s., I would say that the intent of one of the Framers of the Constitution expressed in a private letter is not determinative - and arguably isn't even relevant - to the legal interpretation of a phrase contained in the Constitution.
As to why, read some of Scalia's writings on Constitutional interpretation.
Maybe I will; maybe I won’t.
Still don’t change the facts.
Nobody likes you.
“Incorrect,”
Stay on topic. NBC as defined in the immigration act of 1790.
A NBC is a person born in country to a citizen father of that country. Exceptions are made for diplomats posted overseas (not military).
Born in county to citizen father of said country.
“NBC is not defined by a 1790 Congress”
I know. I was in a discussion with another that claimed it was.
I have no clue what your point is. It merely states that, after it defines that a natural born citizen is one born of citizen parents, that a child born overseas of citizen parents is also considered natural born. And I gave the example of people stationed overseas at the command of the military.
Yeah kinda.
As has been revealed ad nauseam. Congress cannot make a law that changes the definition of a word or phrase in the constitution as it was construed when it was written.
“I have no clue what your point is. It merely states that, after it defines that a natural born citizen is one born of citizen parents,”
——————and born beyond Sea, to a father that has been a resident of the USA.————
And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States .
Still, still, don’t know what the hell you are trying to say. Are you a broken record. Can you tell me what you are trying to say in plain English? This is getting old.
It doesn’t matter if obama was crapped out in the oval office. He was not born to 2 citizen parents, and can never be a natural born citizen. It was the greatest scam ever for the media and the political elite to get away with this. It was treason and usurpation.
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And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States .
Definition refers only to children born beyond the sea as NBC and only if the father has resided in the US.
Nonetheless, at the Electoral College meeting, Senator Cruz rose to call attention to DNI Ratcliffe's view that there was indeed Chinese interference that needed to be more fully investigated. That, in combination with thousands of affidavits and other evidence made for a substantive case that Congress was constitutionally required to investigate in the immediately-ensuing 10-day period as part of the Electoral College responsibility. Congress abrogated their oath of fidelity to the Constitution by voting down the required investigation.
Biden called the action in support of the investigation an "attempt to steal the election" whose future possibility he would see to stamping out. (That would only be possible through a Constitutional Amendment, which he has yet to bring.) In short order, the media narrative morphed into Trump allegedly having mounted "an insurrection" on 1/6.
The attempt by a majority of the Members of Congress to thwart the Constitutionally-required investigation at the 2021 Electoral College meeting is the subject of a suit presently before SCOTUS in Brunson v Adams. The remedy contemplated, requested and demanded by Brunson is the removal from office of all that participated in the anti-constitutional actions of that day, including some 400+ Members of Congress, Biden and Harris.
In-your-face, symbolic or otherwise, SCOTUS has scheduled its hearing for Brunson on 1/6/2023, two years after the alleged crime took place.
Regarding Barry's failed attempt to meet the standard as a Natural Born Citizen (NBC) as put forth in the John Jay letter, we saw Barry's minions suggesting NBC was satisfied simply by his having been born in Hawai'i. That truly would be a nearly meaningless criteria hardly worthy mentioning, that his bio-mother need only have been positioned above US soil when she gave birth.
It was almost comical to see both Deep State (DS) factions (D&R) coming to mutual nullification for the 2008 election NBC requirement as both Barry's and No-Name's birth particulars were questionable. Since the DS had by mutual agreement already settled on those two being the nominated candidates, there was talk off the NBC question being thenceforward off-limits for both candidates as to their questionability (from the media/Ds/Rs). Unfortunately, there were those pesky lawsuits, for which the DS black robes determined "no-standing" responses would be the most effective deterrent.
As Barry's NBC lawsuit dismissals littered the landscape and a Kenyan grandmother seemed to affirm that she was present when Barry was born in Mombasa, Kenya, verified documentation of that and/or to the contrary became a new, vaporous and elusive standard.
Even as Republican-minded questioners were noting the lack of verified documentation to in anyway counter and substantiate a Mombasa birth--for which there was by that time some documentation (a Kenyan LFBC for Barry, for example, calculation that Stanley Ann Dunham did not meet the requirement to pass on her citizenship to little Barry, plus affirmation that BHO I was indeed a registered citizen of the British Commonwealth at the (claimed) time and place of Barry's birth (even while there were reports of Barry's celebrating two different birth dates).
Through mediation of at least one CIA asset positioned in the Hawaii Department of Health, we came to be shown a computer-printed Certificate of Live Birth that contained specious, non-standard field values (e.g., African). Later, two more CIA assets (Judith Corley and Robt F. Bauer) would be brought into the chain of LFBC production as it was finally presented on April 27, 2011.
After (CIA front organization) Subud's past Treasurer and former USA National Chairperson took over Directorship of the Hawai'i Department of Health in January, 2011, it took only three months to produce that which Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie supposedly could not locate among the State's documents after months of dumpster diving, a clearly forged and fraudulent Long Form Birth Certificate for Barry. All three Official Verifications produced by two staff HDOH CIA assets were internally invalid, as well. No court has assessed the merits of any case using the LFBC or its Verifications. A Mississippi court did come close to making a determination on the merits, it was procedurally botched by the relatively inexperienced lawyer, Orly Taitz.
That CIA-backed Barry would foist fraudulent documentation should come as little surprise to an American electorate that has had to endure the long-overdue, hidden documentation of CIA involvement in the JFK assassination, even as it has had to enduring the 50+ Intelligence Chiefs that lied about their interference in the 2020 election by publicly declaring that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation. The intelligence community's leaders have well earned their being fully reformed if not jettisoned by the American Government that is Of the People, By the People and For the People.
The Three Legged Stool Test for a “natural born Citizen” of the United States: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2013/11/15/the-three-legged-stool-test-analogy-for-natural-born-citizenship-of-the-united-states-to-constitutional-standards/
But in your use of the 1790 Naturalization Act you to choose to ignore that it was in error and totally repealed and replaced by the 1795 Naturalization Act. Both acts addressed naturalization and who were considered to be Citizens under various circumstances. Congress got the power under the Constitution of “naturalization” of new Citizens for the United States. Congress has the power to create man-made Positive Laws and Acts. It does not have the power to create Natural Laws or the laws of nature. If you don’t know the difference between Natural Law and Positive Law, google on it. And things or acts with the word “natural” in it are referring to Natural Law. The 1790 Naturalization Act stated that certain persons under certain circumstances were to be “considered” to be “natural born Citizens”. It did not say they actually were, as they could not. But even use of the word “considered” was a power that Congress did not have. So Congress overstepped its constitutionally granted powers and at the work of Madison and others the error was pointed out and the 1790 Naturalization Act was repealed and totally replaced by the 1795 Naturalization Act where the words “natural born” were removed. And the words “natural born” have not appeared in any naturalization act since ... because Congress cannot create a “natural born” anything, citizen or otherwise.
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