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I admit it: I was fooled by Zelensky and Ukraine
WND ^ | 12/08/2022 | Joseph Farrah

Posted on 12/08/2022 8:20:58 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski

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To: Jan_Sobieski

This hotshot couldn’t figure it out? Most of us did. Ukraine’s relationship with the Bidens was out there long before the war started.

Anyhow, Russia and Ukraine both are terrible, evil countries. If they eradicated each other that would be fine. Better than fine.


81 posted on 12/09/2022 4:41:27 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: MayflowerMadam

Ukraine is not an evil country. It has many of the best people in the world. Its young men fight with the spirit of ‘76 and have stopped a mamouth eleven-time-zone country cold. But you wishing that Ukraine be eradicated is truly EVIL. MayflowerMadam is Bolshevik-level evil.


82 posted on 12/09/2022 4:48:13 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (To the barricades !!!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Yeah Lincoln was even more of a POS.


83 posted on 12/09/2022 4:49:17 AM PST by AAABEST ( NY/DC/LA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: Monterrosa-24

Whaaaaah.


84 posted on 12/09/2022 4:54:07 AM PST by dforest
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To: imabadboy99

Is it any wonder MAGA is in the political wilderness? Are we tired of losing yet? Apparently, not since we’re now seeking deliverance from an America hating and mass murdering KGB thug.

Putin is happy to collude with fellow America hating Democrats on a number of issues: Iran, climate change, etc. Putin is not a “good man” and a American conservative movement that embraces him has no core values. Unless we stop this nonsense MAGA is headed to the fringes of the political landscape and certainly more electoral defeats.


85 posted on 12/09/2022 4:54:52 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Jan_Sobieski
I was too quick to believe the media – something I rarely do.

It went from Russia, Russia, Russia, to BLM protests are good, to George Floyd is an angel, to COVID's gonna kill 10s of millions, to safest election ever, to you're insane if you don't take this novel vaccine, to put your Ukraine flag up, to white extremists are the biggest threat ever. The narratives have all been pushed by the same people.

So many people knew the first several narratives were #fakenews but then started to become believers. In a few years, they'll believe climate change is real.

86 posted on 12/09/2022 5:08:39 AM PST by Pollard ( >>> The Great Reset is already underway! <<<)
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To: DannyTN

You worship false idols Danny Boy. Under your logic Creepy Joe would be empowered to ban any church or religion in America because we are alway in the Forever War.

War fever has lured you into believing in totalitarianism.


87 posted on 12/09/2022 5:11:27 AM PST by WMarshal (Neocons and leftards are the same species of vicious rat.f)
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To: central_va

Europeans rapidly came to the conclusion that American military might during the Civil War far outclassed their own. Even divided, either the US or the CSA would have crushed any European attempt to conquer them.


88 posted on 12/09/2022 5:19:29 AM PST by WMarshal (Neocons and leftards are the same species of vicious rat.f)
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To: .44 Special

Everyone seems to forget that the Ukraine, under Zelensky, participated in the coup against President Trump. Colonel Vindman was a naturalized Ukrainian citizen who was twice offered the defense minister post of the Ukraine by Zelensky, and he was the “whistleblower” on the Trump-Zelensky call.


89 posted on 12/09/2022 5:25:26 AM PST by WMarshal (Neocons and leftards are the same species of vicious rat.f)
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To: Monterrosa-24

Of course there are good individuals in every country, including Ukraine and Russia. I didn’t think it would be necessary to stipulate that the GOVERNMENTS of both countries need to be eradicated. I (wrongly, apparently) expected FReepers could figure that out.

Now Zelensky is outlawing Christianity, basically. That GOVERNMENT needs to be eradicated. I don’t think Russia is even that bad re Christianity any more.


90 posted on 12/09/2022 5:30:02 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: MayflowerMadam

Farrah is just flat out ignorant on the subject or deliberately lying.

There are two orthodox churches in Ukraine. One is under the patriarchy of Moscow the other is under the Kiev patriarchy.

He’s banning the Orthodox Church who’s patriarch (leadership) reports to Moscow. He seems to think they are unable to be neutral.


91 posted on 12/09/2022 5:50:42 AM PST by Reily
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To: freedumb2003

My opinion has been unwavering. Ukraine is just as bad and corrupt as Russia.

I root against both sides.
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Bravo! This regional war has all the Biblical hallmarks: Evil is destroying Evil. All sides supporting war, war, war, instead of Peace will reap what they are sowing, look out America!


92 posted on 12/09/2022 6:00:24 AM PST by delta7
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To: Jan_Sobieski
. Zelensky has banned opposition parties. He's shut down critical media by force. He's arrested his political opponents. He has sent soldiers into churches. Zelensky's secret police have raided monasteries across Ukraine, even a convent full of nuns, and arrested dozens of priests for no justifiable reason whatsoever and in clear violation of the Ukrainian constitution, which apparently no longer matters. And in the face of this, the Biden administration has said nothing.

And on the other side,

Russian opposition figure Ilya Yashin jailed for denouncing Ukraine war

12/9/2022, 8:46:33 AM · by Timber Rattler · 2 replies
The Guardian ^ | December 9, 2022 | Andrew Roth

Russia's Newest Law: No Evangelizing Outside of Church | News ...

Christians are Severely Persecuted in Putin's Russia – But That Could ...

Christian Persecution Increasing in Russia - Christian News Headlines

Report: Non-Orthodox Christians Face 'Strong Discrimination' in Russia

Russia, other former Soviet republics persecuting Christians, new ...

Moscow church destroyed in sign of new Russian repression Posted on Sep 26, 2012 | by Jill Nelson

MOSCOW (BP) -- It was in the early hours of the morning on Sept. 6 when Pastor Vasili Romanyuk's phone rang. A group of men backed by local police were demolishing his Holy Trinity Pentecostal Church, housed in a three-story building nestled in a Moscow suburb. As word spread, congregants arrived at the scene hoping to save the building, but their efforts were futile. By dawn the church was in ruins and some of its most valuable contents were missing.

An isolated incident? A misunderstanding? Analysts watching the current climate in the former Cold War country don't think so: "This destruction of the church is about as concrete of evidence as you can get that something very bad and very troubling is taking place," said Katrina Lantos Swett, chair of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom. "This could not have happened without the backing, support, and implicit blessing of the police."

The incident is just one sign of deteriorating freedoms in Russia, and behind the scenes a cozy relationship between the Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox Church has raised more than a few eyebrows. As President Vladimir Putin digs into his third term, a number of Kremlin crackdowns involving vague interpretations of the country's extremism law and other human-rights abuses are troubling signs that the country has slipped into a familiar, repressive era.

"When you have unknown people backed by the police coming out at midnight to begin tearing down a church, you know something doesn't smell right," Lantos Swett said.

Officials evicted Holy Trinity Church from its original building in 1995 and relocated the church to the eastern Moscow suburb. The congregation used its own funds to construct a new building and repeatedly battled officials over permits. The church demolition and its history reflect an emerging pattern: Authorities confiscate land from non-favored religious communities and force the congregation to relocate to a remote suburb, the religious leaders apply for permits that are subsequently denied, and officials confiscate (once again) or demolish the relocated congregation, citing lack of proper documentation.

Pastor Romanyuk and a small group of the church's 550 congregants arrived on site around 3:30 a.m. as about 45 men claiming to be civil volunteers blocked them from the building and threw stones. "When I arrived, I just burst into tears," 25-year-old Natalya Cherevichinik told The Moscow Times as she surveyed the destruction. "I couldn't believe that something that had been built over several years could be destroyed in a few hours."

Russian Evangelicals Leery of Orthodox Church, Friday, December 30, 2011:

class="adjusted">MOSCOW, Russia -- For decades, the Russian Orthodox Church was persecuted under the Soviet Union's Communist Party.

Since the early 1990s, the church has grown in size and influence as its relationship with the Russian government has improved significantly.

However, that cozy relationship worries the country's evangelicals.

Threats Against Evangelicals

For eight years, Yuri Sipko ran one of the largest Baptist organizations in Russia. Now, 20 years after the fall of Communism, he worries about the growing threats against the country's evangelical movement.

"The collapse of Communism was supposed to usher in an era of greater religious freedom, but I'm concerned we are moving in the wrong direction," Sipko said.

What makes the Russian evangelicals very concerned is an emerging relationship between the Russian government and the Russian Orthodox Church.

"For example, the government recently introduced religious classes based on the principals of the Orthodox Church in public schools," Sipko said.

"Then late last year, the Russian president announced an initiative to appoint Orthodox chaplains to all army units," he said. "Our constitution clearly states no religion can be the state religion."

Russia Church-State Relations

Russia watchers credit two men, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and President Dmitry Medvedev, for elevating the church's prominence. The state media has also played a key role, often showing the leaders attending church services.

Sergey Ryakhovski knows both men well. As head of Russia's Pentecostal Union, he meets regularly with top government and Orthodox Church leaders.

Ryakhovski worries that the Orthodox Church's influence is coming at the expense of religious freedom, especially for minority groups such as Christians, Jews, Muslims, and Buddhists.

"There are so many laws and by-laws that regulate religious life in Russia," Ryakhovski said. "For example, evangelical Christians just can't go out and buy a church building or buy a piece of land to build a church."

"Plus, criticizing or challenging the Orthodox Church is not a task for all," he added.

Orthodox Church Revival

The Russian Orthodox Church on the other hand has had it easy in recent times after decades of state persecution.

Church buildings that were destroyed during the Soviet era have been rebuilt with Russian taxpayer money. In the past 20 years, the government has spent hundreds of millions of dollars restoring some 23,000 churches.

Most Russians say they belong to the Orthodox Church. Yet CBN News found mixed reactions on the streets of Moscow to the growing bond between church and state

At Expense of All Others, Putin Picks a Church

By CLIFFORD J. LEVY Published: April 24, 2008

STARY OSKOL, Russia —

It was not long after a Methodist church put down roots here that the troubles began.

First came visits from agents of the F.S.B., a successor to the K.G.B., who evidently saw a threat in a few dozen searching souls who liked to huddle in cramped apartments to read the Bible and, perhaps, drink a little tea. Local officials then labeled the church a “sect.” Finally, last month, they shut it down.

There was a time after the fall of Communism when small Protestant congregations blossomed here in southwestern Russia, when a church was almost as easy to set up as a general store. Today, this industrial region has become emblematic of the suppression of religious freedom under President Vladimir V. Putin.

Just as the government has tightened control over political life, so, too, has it intruded in matters of faith. The Kremlin’s surrogates in many areas have turned the Russian Orthodox Church into a de facto official religion, warding off other Christian denominations that seem to offer the most significant competition for worshipers. They have all but banned proselytizing by Protestants and discouraged Protestant worship through a variety of harassing measures, according to dozens of interviews with government officials and religious leaders across Russia.

Russia's De-Facto State Religion : Persecution : http://www ... www.persecution.org/?p=9350&upm...‎ International Christian Co... Putin frequently appears with the Orthodox head, Patriarch Aleksei II, ... Baptists, evangelicals, Pentecostals and many others who cut Christ's robes like bandits, ...

Government Returning Land to Religious Organizations to Favor Orthodox Tuesday, March 3rd, 2009: An ambitious draft law on the transfer of property of religious significance to religious organisations may reignite a process begun in 1993.

Pentecostal Seminary Targeted for Liquidation

Pentecostal Church Forced to Meet Outside in Moscow Winter

Russia: Governor Orders Church Land Grab

Council of Religious Experts threatens religious freedom

A new Inquisition ?

Russia “You have the law, we have orders


93 posted on 12/09/2022 6:12:35 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: WMarshal
And yet as even liberal NPR basically confessed:
Is Trump The Toughest Ever On Russia?.. much tougher on Russia than any in the post-Cold War era. NPR | July 20, 2018 Trump sought to add $1.4 billion for fiscal year 2018 to the European Deterrence Initiative — a military effort to deter Russian aggression that was initially known as the European Reassurance Initiative. That's a 41 percent increase from the last year of the Obama administration. The president also agreed to send lethal weapons to Ukraine — a step that Obama resisted. And Trump gave U.S. forces in Syria more leeway to engage with Russian troops...actually resulting in one incident in hundreds of casualties on the Russian side."[1]
Previously, as reported by ABC News – Breaking News, Latest News, Headlines & Videos om Dec. 23, 2020, "Trump admin approves new sale of anti-tank weapons to Ukraine.." The new package included Javelin anti-tank weapons, 150 missiles and two launchers, which came after a first sale, completed in March 2018, which included 210 Javelin missiles and 37 launch units.. "The Trump administration first approved the sale of Javelins to Ukraine in December 2017 -- a step that former President Barack Obama never took.... But Javelins were discussed on Trump and Zelenskiy's call on July 25, which has prompted an impeachment inquiry. '"I would like you to do us a favor though,'" Trump responded, asking Zelenskiy to work with his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani to investigate Crowdstrike...
"
Before that, "Russia's Putin praises Obama's missile defense decision" to "cancel a radar installation in the Czech Republic and ground-based interceptors planned for Poland," LA Times Sep 19, 2009

94 posted on 12/09/2022 6:23:26 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Fungi

Bigly.


95 posted on 12/09/2022 6:30:02 AM PST by Fai Mao (Stop feeding the beast, and steal its food!)
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To: MayflowerMadam

He is outlawing no such thing. Now the Russian Orthodox Churches are Ukrainian Orthodox so the polity changes from those apostates who are Putin stooges to those who are Christians. Ukraine is more welcoming to Baptists and protestant sects than Russia.

You say Ukraine is tied to Biden. But America is much more tied to Biden. Would you state that America should be eradicated? You did NOT stipulate the Ukrainian government and your context was that the combatants should eradicate each other.


96 posted on 12/09/2022 6:53:31 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (To the barricades !!!)
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To: lodi90

Remove the scales from your eyes. Putin should be a natural ally as part of Christendom, but he makes a good boogeyman for the deep state. China is the real enemy, but they are allies of the deep state traitors.


97 posted on 12/09/2022 6:54:36 AM PST by imabadboy99
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To: DesertRhino
Neither did Lincoln. He kept America from being splintered into small nations that the Brits would pick off one by one and ended slavery. But keep up with the revisionist fiction.

What you are saying here is revisionist fiction. You are trying to make up a reason that satisfies you regarding an invasion and killing of 750,000 Americans.

Britain was no longer any threat to the US. If they wanted to take us over, they would have done so in the war of 1812 where they kicked our @$$ in virtually every engagement except the very last one. 50 years later in 1861 there was no British effort or interest in trying to take over any of the states in North America.

You are wishful thinking trying to justify the horrible slaughter caused by Lincoln's war to keep power.

Lincoln launched that war to protect the financial interests of the corrupt northeastern "robber baron" class that is still running Washington DC today.

Lincoln was a liberal, and he created the huge government leviathan that is still persecuting us today.

98 posted on 12/09/2022 7:42:17 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: jmacusa
I’ve said from the beginning of all this that Russia and Ukraine are two scorpions in a bottle.

And here I think I agree with you.

99 posted on 12/09/2022 7:45:29 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: rxh4n1
Abraham Lincoln did the same during the American Civil War. So what?

Lincoln did nothing close to this. No comparison.

You are right. Lincoln killed 750,000 people to maintain his control of power. Zelinski has done nothing like that so far.

100 posted on 12/09/2022 7:47:11 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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