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Are you going to deal with the word or not? Yes or no?

What the MOTB comes down to: Authority and to whom you claim allegiance to. To the One who wrote the law, or the one who claims to have changed it. There’s no middle ground. It’s one or the other. You choose the Catholic Church, fully knowing what they did and why? You receive the mark of the beast on your forehead. You don’t understand but you go along with it so you can still buy and sell? You receive the mark of the beast on your hand. COMPROMISE IS IMPOSSIBLE (that’s actually a quote from the Catholic Church).

Letter from C.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons on October 28, 1895:
“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act…And the act is a MARK of her
ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.”

“Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is
proof of that fact.” — Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.

Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. It could not have been otherwise, as none in those days would have dreamed of doing anything, in matters spiritual, ecclesiastical and religious without her. This act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.i
i. Extract from a letter written by the Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons (November 11, 1895).

You refuse to deal with the truth. It is obvious to everyone but you. Why do you refuse to deal with the word?

Strong’s:

G5480
χάραγμα
charagma
khar’-ag-mah
From the same as G5482; a scratch or etching, that is, stamp (as a badge of servitude), or sculptured figure (statue): - graven, mark.
Total KJV occurrences: 9

KJC:

G5480
χάραγμα
charagma
Total KJV Occurrences: 9
mark, 8
Rev_13:16-17 (2), Rev_14:9, Rev_14:11, Rev_16:2 (2), Rev_19:20, Rev_20:4
graven, 1
Act_17:29

Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

It is used as “graven” in the above verse, Phil.

Next, let’s look again at the text:

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

On Rev. 3:16, he causes people to RECEIVE the mark. It’s not something they already possess.

On Rev. 17, “he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.” Can you explain your how what the number is for his name that has to do with Sunday worship? Pay close attention: “the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.” Can you explain how this would work in your belief system regarding the MOTB?

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Verse 18 just straight out tells you that it’s the number of “a man,” and that “his” number is 666. Again, how is this supposed to work in your system?

You must deal with the word and stop acting like you don’t know it goes contrary to what you say. For your own sake, Phil. Also, it’s not like it isn’t glaringly obvious that you just want me to accept a made up definition of it and move forward. I will not. That would not be truthful.

——>Are you going to deal with the word or not? Yes or no?

Yes

Rev 14:9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

[its] mark
χάραγμα (charagma)
Noun - Accusative Neuter Singular
Strong’s Greek 5480: Sculpture; engraving, a stamp, sign. From the same as charax; a scratch or etching, i.e. Stamp, or scupltured figure.

Hmmmm, A SIGN

Rev 9:4And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

seal
σφραγῖδα (sphragida)
Noun - Accusative Feminine Singular
Strong’s Greek 4973: Probably strengthened from phrasso; a signet; by implication, the stamp impressed, literally or figuratively.

Hmmmm, literally OR FIGURATIVELY

**A sign and a seal are synonymous**

http://www.biblelightinfo.com/seal.htm

I just did. Now it’s YOUR turn.

Post 498: Literal or figurative?

You didn’t deal with it. Where? It’s a mark, an engraving, etc., etc., etc. It’s not just an idea or the way one thinks. Where did you even come close to dealing with it???

Do you still say that it’s figurative language? You may not have known the definition of the word before and you were fooled by those above you. But now that you know the truth, what will you do with it?

You’re kidding me.

That’s so foolish that I have no words, Phil.

You won’t take the truth for anything, will you?

That’s cool. Stay with like-minded people.

——>You didn’t deal with it. Where? It’s a mark, an engraving, etc., etc., etc.

Yes, I did.

A mark can mean a SIGN.

SIGN

Oh, boy.

Had to dig for that. Are you going to answer the questions about the mark’s application to events in the verses posted? It should be entertaining.

——>You’re kidding me.

No, I’m not.

Now answer my question from post 498.

Literal or figurative?

And all you have to do is click on some links AND READ. Everything you ever wanted to know about what Phil believes about the MOTB.

I’m sorry for you that you aren’t able to do that.

It makes no difference because if I say literal and prove it to you, you will just reject it.

Tired of your game.

You are wrong, and it’s been shown you and you want to carry on in error. Pfft. How is the other supposed to respond to your errors as if they’re truth.

Too tiring for me, Phil. You believe that it’s figurative because you want to be right due to pride. Fine.

“And all you have to do is click on some links AND READ. Everything you ever wanted to know about what Phil believes about the MOTB.”

The arrogance!

——>It makes no difference because if I say literal and prove it to you, you will just reject it.

Sure it makes a difference. The verses I posted are DIRECTLY related.

Pretty simple question, Claire...literal or figurative?

You refuse to answer? I never expected you would. That’s how false PTR doctrine believers are. When confronted with the truth, they cave.

Bye

Yeah, right. You got the definition of “mark” given to you and now can’t make it fit. You were duped.

And goodbye to you, too.

The bible’s mark definition fits perfectly, because it’s defined by the BIBLE.

Hi Philsworld,

Much earlier in this thread, I asked one of these regular posters here who tends to present themself as an amateur Bible scholar, to help me with something Biblical, but that poster just refused to help me. I've seen many of your posts, and I can see that you have wide and deep knowledge of the Scriptures, and that you are a man possessing great courage, so I thought you might be able and willing to help me.

I'm going to pose that same question to you now Philsworld, and I hope you can give me some helpful answers, or point me to some place I can get those answers.

A while ago, someone pointed me to a youtube video (about fourteen minutes long), posted by a person named "Rabbi Tovia Singer", which can be seen at this following link:

"Jesus’ empty-tomb story could not have occurred – Rabbi Tovia Singer responds to caller"

Rabbi Tovia Singer, who resides in Jerusalem, says that the Biblical story of the women taking spices to the tomb of Jesus on Sunday morning in the Gospels of "Mark" and "Luke" is totally false and ridiculous, as there would be no reason in the world for those women to extract the dead body of Jesus from the tomb, and put spices on it. He says the only reason they would use spices, was to mask the decaying smell prior to burial, not to comply with or fulfill any Jewish commandment or directive, as no such commands or directives existed, in Jewish law, or in Jewish tradition. Once the body was buried, there would be no more reason to put smell-masking spices on the decaying body.

The Rabbi also says that it would be outrageously scandalous and shameful for women in that culture to touch the body of a dead man for ANY reason (or for men to touch the body of a dead woman). He says it would never have been done in their Jewish culture. He claims that was just a phony story plot device used by the writers of those two Gospels, (with the author of "Luke" actually copying the story directly from the author of "Mark"), as a way to get someone to somehow discover the empty tomb on Sunday morning, and he says that the later Gospel of "John" completely changes that story of the body spices, (having two males -- Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathaea -- doing that spicing and body preparation in the proper Jewish way of the time, prior to burial or placing the body in the tomb, in accordance with the actual Jewish smell-masking customs of the time). He says the author of the much later Gospel of "John" changed that account in order to clean up that prior fictitious "female post-burial body-spicing effort" account.

In his short video, the Rabbi provides evidence from the Scriptures, as well as from history, and from Jewish culture and tradition, to argue his points. I am trying to find a good and honest Christian way to be able to understand and respond to that Rabbi's claims in his video.

I'm asking you (if and when you get a chance) to watch the Rabbi's video, and see his points for yourself, and to let me know how you would respond to that Rabbi. (The previous poster I asked to do that, simply refused to watch the video in order to see the evidence that the Rabbi presented, and essentially gave me a big "nothing" response.)

If you also do not care to listen to the Rabbi's video, I'll understand, and try to find someone else who might be able to help me.

Thanks very much, Philsworld. I have to say goodnight now, but I'll check back at some point to see if you've responded. Take care, and Happy Thanksgiving!

Sure, I’ll be happy to let you know what I think. Let me work on it for a while.