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The Universe as We Understand It May Be Impossible
The Atlantic ^ | Natalie Wolchover and Quanta Magazine

Posted on 10/27/2022 1:59:46 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: Governor Dinwiddie

A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it ...

An important scientific innovation rarely makes its way by gradually winning over and converting its opponents: it rarely happens that Saul becomes Paul. What does happen is that its opponents gradually die out, and that the growing generation is familiarized with the ideas from the beginning: another instance of the fact that the future lies with the youth.

— Max Planck, Scientific autobiography, 1950, p. 33, 97


61 posted on 10/27/2022 4:08:44 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: cgbg
I have cats. And they understand the books in the library.

When the books are arranged nicely and neatly on the shelves, it is their job to drag them off the shelves and out onto the floor.

Are you saying books serve some other purpose?;-)

62 posted on 10/27/2022 4:09:49 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Our government is like a bunch of fleas discussing how they are going to manage their dog.)
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To: Fungi

Amen


63 posted on 10/27/2022 4:14:55 PM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
The conjecture could be false, the cosmos could be very different then we suppose and string theory could be wrong.

String theory as currently understood by scientists is completely stupid. Scientists are making it much too complicated.

Or at least that's what my cats say.;-)

64 posted on 10/27/2022 4:15:35 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Our government is like a bunch of fleas discussing how they are going to manage their dog.)
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To: dfwgator
The Hokey Pokey goes beyond science to the very core of being.
65 posted on 10/27/2022 4:23:38 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (The nation of france was named after a hedgehog... The hedgehog's name was Kevin... Don't ask)
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To: RoosterRedux
And in this, as in library re-organization, our furry feline overlords are correct.

(They are watching me type this. Send help! Or kitty treats)

66 posted on 10/27/2022 4:28:36 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (The nation of france was named after a hedgehog... The hedgehog's name was Kevin... Don't ask)
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To: nickcarraway

so, is string theory one of those deals where they keep having to add epicycles to make the theory match observation?


67 posted on 10/27/2022 4:55:54 PM PDT by catnipman (In a post-covid world, ALL "science" is now political science: stolen elections have consequences)
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To: nickcarraway

the cosmos must either be profoundly different than previously supposed or string theory must be wrong

or both.

sort of like climate change and the climate change models, both being wrong.


68 posted on 10/27/2022 5:01:38 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: nickcarraway

This is giving me a headache. If the universe is impossible,
we must be impossible as well. This is enough to drive one
to drink; subsequently, no one wants or cares to know.


69 posted on 10/27/2022 5:53:09 PM PDT by V K Lee (Our CONSTITUTION. Written with DIVINE assistance by very wise men. A document unlike any other.)
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

“the odds of everything accidently happening just right could be 1 of 10^200.”

Yup—this is the issue of “telos”.

While many here think that “intelligent design” means God, there are many many other possible alternatives that would still qualify as “telos”.

One of the (many) flaws of science is that (for the most part) it refuses to deal with any of those possible alternatives.


70 posted on 10/27/2022 5:59:14 PM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: SunkenCiv

String theory ping.


71 posted on 10/27/2022 6:03:28 PM PDT by Fractal Trader (S)
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To: nickcarraway
String theory isn't even wrong.

Anyone talking about string theory is wasting his and your time.

It is as valid and useful as your average science fiction story. It can be entertaining as long as you don't bet your life on it.

72 posted on 10/27/2022 6:49:12 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: cgbg; Right_Wing_Madman
While many here think that “intelligent design” means God, there are many many other possible alternatives that would still qualify as “telos”. One of the (many) flaws of science is that (for the most part) it refuses to deal with any of those possible alternatives.

The origin of the universe by an "alternative" other than intelligent design/designer means it's accidental which implies it came into existence purely through chaos. When all of science is supposedly based upon observation and repeatable experiments, chaos theory is laughable. Yet even chaos fails to explain FIRST CAUSE or where the building blocks came from.

Many evolutionists (the honest ones) admit they hold to that theory because the only alternative is a Creator and they refuse to accept it.

73 posted on 10/27/2022 6:52:31 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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To: cgbg; Right_Wing_Madman
While many here think that “intelligent design” means God, there are many many other possible alternatives that would still qualify as “telos”. One of the (many) flaws of science is that (for the most part) it refuses to deal with any of those possible alternatives.

The origin of the universe by an "alternative" other than intelligent design/designer means it's accidental which implies it came into existence purely through chaos. When all of science is supposedly based upon observation and repeatable experiments, chaos theory is laughable. Yet even chaos fails to explain FIRST CAUSE or where the building blocks came from.

Many evolutionists (the honest ones) admit they hold to that theory because the only alternative is a Creator and they refuse to accept it.

74 posted on 10/27/2022 6:52:31 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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To: cgbg; Right_Wing_Madman
While many here think that “intelligent design” means God, there are many many other possible alternatives that would still qualify as “telos”. One of the (many) flaws of science is that (for the most part) it refuses to deal with any of those possible alternatives.

The origin of the universe by an "alternative" other than intelligent design/designer means it's accidental which implies it came into existence purely through chaos. When all of science is supposedly based upon observation and repeatable experiments, chaos theory is laughable. Yet even chaos fails to explain FIRST CAUSE or where the building blocks came from.

Many evolutionists (the honest ones) admit they hold to that theory because the only alternative is a Creator and they refuse to accept it.

75 posted on 10/27/2022 6:52:31 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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To: boatbums

sorry for the triple post...don’t know why that’s happening - CHAOS


76 posted on 10/27/2022 6:53:55 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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To: Openurmind
How do they know it is smooth and flat?

I find the universe to be rather clumpy.

77 posted on 10/27/2022 7:06:33 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: catnipman
so, is string theory one of those deals where they keep having to add epicycles to make the theory match observation?

Yes. almost exactly

78 posted on 10/27/2022 7:19:56 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: boatbums
sorry for the triple post...don’t know why that’s happening - CHAOS

Would you believe KAOS?

Excuse me, my shoe is ringing.

79 posted on 10/27/2022 7:23:24 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: zeugma
Just one more thought before I go...

This sentence from the article pretty much encapsulates the silliness of modern 'physics'.

Since 1998, telescope observations have indicated that the cosmos is expanding ever so slightly faster all the time, implying that the vacuum of empty space must be infused with a dose of gravitationally repulsive “dark energy.”

Absurd. They forgot to also include the word "invisible" in the description."

80 posted on 10/27/2022 7:27:56 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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