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While many here think that “intelligent design” means God, there are many many other possible alternatives that would still qualify as “telos”. One of the (many) flaws of science is that (for the most part) it refuses to deal with any of those possible alternatives.

The origin of the universe by an "alternative" other than intelligent design/designer means it's accidental which implies it came into existence purely through chaos. When all of science is supposedly based upon observation and repeatable experiments, chaos theory is laughable. Yet even chaos fails to explain FIRST CAUSE or where the building blocks came from.

Many evolutionists (the honest ones) admit they hold to that theory because the only alternative is a Creator and they refuse to accept it.

[boatbums]

sorry for the triple post...don’t know why that’s happening - CHAOS

[cgbg]

“Many evolutionists (the honest ones) admit they hold to that theory because the only alternative is a Creator and they refuse to accept it.”

Telos (design, purpose) can exist without a Creator.

I know you don’t get that—and scientists don’t get it either....

Everybody needs to drop all their cultural assumptions and start all over again....