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To: ProudDeplorable
We must remember who the true confederates were during the civil war - Democrats. Remember the Dixiecrats.

Stop. The Republican party of 1860 has the same political philosophy as the modern Democrat party. The Republican party was the party of Northern Big City tax and spend Liberals.

The Democrat party of 1860 was the small government, leave us alone, don't tax us, conservatives.

Even the strongholds of the old Republican party, New York, Boston, Chicago, are still liberal strongholds today.

The Liberals have always lived in the Hamptons and Martha's vineyard.

70 posted on 09/08/2022 11:35:53 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Wrong, the south overwhelmingly voted for the Socalist Traitor FDR 4 times.


75 posted on 09/08/2022 1:45:09 PM PDT by cowboyusa (America Cowboy up!)
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To: DiogenesLamp; BroJoeK
The Liberals have always lived in the Hamptons and Martha's vineyard.

Don't you ever look anything up? A hundred years ago, not many rich people lived in the Hamptons or on Martha's Vineyard or even summered there. It was mostly farmers and fishermen. They weren't liberals. And a hundred years ago the rich people who lived in the summer resorts of the day weren't all liberals either. They were the ones the progressives imposed the income tax on, and a lot of them weren't happy about that.

Even the strongholds of the old Republican party, New York, Boston, Chicago, are still liberal strongholds today.

New York City was a Democrat stronghold in 1860. Chicago was still Lincoln country and Boston was still puritan and abolitionist, but they would follow New York City after the war and vote Democrat.

It was with rural voters in the North that Lincoln was strong. Sure, they welcomed the opportunities created by the Homestead Act, but they weren't looking for special privileges or handouts.

People who did want things from the government could wangle them out of any government, Whig, Democrat, Republican. There was plenty of corruption in the Buchanan administration and the national debt and deficit skyrocketed.

85 posted on 09/08/2022 4:32:13 PM PDT by x
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To: DiogenesLamp; ProudDeplorable; cowboyusa; x; Pelham; rockrr
ProudDeplorable: "We must remember who the true confederates were during the civil war - Democrats.
Remember the Dixiecrats."

DiogenesLamp: "Stop.
The Republican party of 1860 has the same political philosophy as the modern Democrat party.
The Republican party was the party of Northern Big City tax and spend Liberals."

Sorry, DL, but that is an absolute, total, 100% lie, without even a whiff of truth in it.
Here's the real truth: since roughly the election of 1800 and especially after Martin Van Buren's work in the 1820s, Northern Democrats represented Big City financial/commercial interests allied to corrupt immigrant political machines such as NYC's Tammany Hall.

From the election of 1800 until secession in 1861, Southern & Northern Democrats together ruled Washington , DC, almost continuously, with only brief intervals of opposition party influence.

The election of 1860 was the first time since 1801 that Democrats were completely swept from political power, and it drove them nuts, just as nuts as Donald Trump made them, and as they've been ever since.

DiogenesLamp: "The Democrat party of 1860 was the small government, leave us alone, don't tax us, conservatives.
Even the strongholds of the old Republican party, New York, Boston, Chicago, are still liberal strongholds today."

Still more lies!
In 1860 both New York and Boston elected Democrat mayors and New York's Democrat mayor wanted to join Southerners in secession, his new country to be called the "Free City of Tri-Insula".

From the beginning, Chicago was always more Democrat than Whig or Republican, electing two Democrat mayors for every one opposition party, and elected Democrat mayors in 1858 and 1862.

The truth is that Democrats always were the party of Northern Big Cities and Southern Big Globalized Business -- big plantations organized for massive exports.

And they still are.

The opposition Federalists - Whigs - Republicans were always the party of family farmers, small town business & professionals, constitutionalists, conservative values, national defense, law & order, medium sized cities & suburbs.

And we still are.

95 posted on 09/10/2022 4:42:49 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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