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To: DiogenesLamp; ProudDeplorable; cowboyusa; x; Pelham; rockrr
ProudDeplorable: "We must remember who the true confederates were during the civil war - Democrats.
Remember the Dixiecrats."

DiogenesLamp: "Stop.
The Republican party of 1860 has the same political philosophy as the modern Democrat party.
The Republican party was the party of Northern Big City tax and spend Liberals."

Sorry, DL, but that is an absolute, total, 100% lie, without even a whiff of truth in it.
Here's the real truth: since roughly the election of 1800 and especially after Martin Van Buren's work in the 1820s, Northern Democrats represented Big City financial/commercial interests allied to corrupt immigrant political machines such as NYC's Tammany Hall.

From the election of 1800 until secession in 1861, Southern & Northern Democrats together ruled Washington , DC, almost continuously, with only brief intervals of opposition party influence.

The election of 1860 was the first time since 1801 that Democrats were completely swept from political power, and it drove them nuts, just as nuts as Donald Trump made them, and as they've been ever since.

DiogenesLamp: "The Democrat party of 1860 was the small government, leave us alone, don't tax us, conservatives.
Even the strongholds of the old Republican party, New York, Boston, Chicago, are still liberal strongholds today."

Still more lies!
In 1860 both New York and Boston elected Democrat mayors and New York's Democrat mayor wanted to join Southerners in secession, his new country to be called the "Free City of Tri-Insula".

From the beginning, Chicago was always more Democrat than Whig or Republican, electing two Democrat mayors for every one opposition party, and elected Democrat mayors in 1858 and 1862.

The truth is that Democrats always were the party of Northern Big Cities and Southern Big Globalized Business -- big plantations organized for massive exports.

And they still are.

The opposition Federalists - Whigs - Republicans were always the party of family farmers, small town business & professionals, constitutionalists, conservative values, national defense, law & order, medium sized cities & suburbs.

And we still are.

95 posted on 09/10/2022 4:42:49 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK
There I disagree, the Jacksonian Democrats were for small Government and the common man. The Whigs favored the financial sector. They were Hamiltonian's. MANY Locofoco Democrats joined the GOP, because they hated the slave power. And the foundation of Jacksonianism was UNION.
96 posted on 09/10/2022 6:52:49 AM PDT by cowboyusa (America Cowboy up!)
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