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An A.I.-Generated Picture Won an Art Prize. Artists Aren’t Happy.
DNYUZ ^ | 2 Sept 2022

Posted on 09/04/2022 12:52:32 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

But one entrant, Jason M. Allen of Pueblo West, Colo., didn’t make his entry with a brush or a lump of clay. He created it with Midjourney, an artificial intelligence program that turns lines of text into hyper-realistic graphics.

Mr. Allen’s work, “Théâtre D’opéra Spatial,” took home the blue ribbon in the fair’s contest for emerging digital artists — making it one of the first A.I.-generated pieces to win such a prize, and setting off a fierce backlash from artists who accused him of, essentially, cheating.

Reached by phone on Wednesday, Mr. Allen defended his work. He said that he had made clear that his work — which was submitted under the name “Jason M. Allen via Midjourney” — was created using A.I., and that he hadn’t deceived anyone about its origins.

Some artists defended Mr. Allen, saying that using A.I. to create a piece was no different from using Photoshop or other digital image-manipulation tools, and that human creativity is still required to come up with the right prompts to generate an award-winning piece.

Controversy over new art-making technologies is nothing new. Many painters recoiled at the invention of the camera, which they saw as a debasement of human artistry. (Charles Baudelaire, the 19th-century French poet and art critic, called photography “art’s most mor­tal enemy.”) In the 20th century, digital editing tools and computer-assisted design programs were similarly dismissed by purists for requiring too little skill of their human collaborators.

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To: DUMBGRUNT

Yeah what happened to, “ hey man, art is subjective... man.”

I guess it’s now not so subjective is it hipster?


21 posted on 09/04/2022 6:58:27 AM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: DUMBGRUNT

So much better than most modern art.

In a few years, unless society collapses, computers will make new works in whatever style you like with quality that rivals the historical originals.


22 posted on 09/04/2022 8:00:12 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (The pandemic we suffer from is not COVID. It is Marxist Democrat Leftism.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
You can make your own art using the AI system online. I think the first 25 outputs are free.

https://www.midjourney.com/home/

There is also a showcase gallery of other art it has made. Some is evil and creepy-looking, some is great. A small sample of images is visible without sign up, and millions of images are available if you pay. Examples:


23 posted on 09/04/2022 8:18:06 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (The pandemic we suffer from is not COVID. It is Marxist Democrat Leftism.)
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To: Zack Attack

There will be a.i. programs that will write code if one just tells the machine what you want your program do do. Example....write a program that generates political speech for me, for today’s issues ( that sad incompetent jb wouldn’t need handlers or puppeteers)


24 posted on 09/04/2022 8:42:17 AM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: Sirius Lee

—”Even one minute of music is an awful lot of black dots on a page.”

Unsure about music, but visual artists often work with skilled students and assistants...

Christo wasn’t repelling on the side of the Arc de Triomphe to wrap it, at that time he was pinning for the fords or something.

A coworker’s family owned a fabrication shop for artists, they bring in the plans and they would shape and weld it.

Guessing that Andy Warhol ‘guided the process?

Many busy writers simply provide an outline to their staff...

A fun example:
“Naked Came the Stranger”
is a 1969 novel written as a literary hoax poking fun at the American literary culture of its time. Though credited to “Penelope Ashe,” it was in fact written by a group of twenty-four journalists led by Newsday columnist Mike McGrady.

McGrady’s intention was to write a book that was both deliberately terrible and contained a lot of descriptions of sex, to illustrate the point that popular American literary culture had become mindlessly vulgar. The book fulfilled the authors’ expectations and became a bestseller in 1969; they revealed the hoax later that year, further spurring the book’s popularity.

...The publisher, Lyle Stuart, was an independent publisher then known for controversial books, many with sexual content. According to Stuart, he had appropriated the cover photo (a kneeling nude woman with very long hair down her back, photographed from behind) from a Hungarian nudist magazine; the model and photographer later demanded and received payment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_Came_the_Stranger


25 posted on 09/04/2022 9:46:38 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: Magnatron

—”Well, fake women win female competitions, too.

Guess it’s all relative these days…”

Some believe they need to destroy the fabric of society to build a new and perfect society.

“I say, beware of all enterprises that require new clothes, and not rather a new wearer of clothes.”

said America’s oldest hippy.


26 posted on 09/04/2022 9:57:03 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last messa)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

—”Saw it yesterday. It looks better in person.”

What was the canvas size?


27 posted on 09/04/2022 9:58:13 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last messa)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
What was the canvas size?

It wasn't that big. 12" x 18" or so.

28 posted on 09/04/2022 1:25:45 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Guessing that Andy Warhol ‘guided the process?

And, then there's Dali.

Toward the end, all he did was sign blank canvases, for money, of course.

Because of his late-life laziness, he's become the second most forged artist in history, after Picasso.

In fact, I own a fake (not forged) Dali that's supposed to be one of the Song of Solomon set. I've also got one of the real Song of Solomon lithos.

The fake one is laughably bad. It looks like an 8-year-old drew it. In fact, it's so bad, it's good. Well, not really good, but it is fun to own a fake Dali. I inherited them from my Mom, who was a real Dali fan.

29 posted on 09/04/2022 1:38:05 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

—” 12” x 18” or so.”

Thank you.
Looking at the online photos it ‘feels’ very large.


30 posted on 09/04/2022 2:59:25 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last messa)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Early in the 20th Century, Frédéric Gérard, owner of Paris' "Au Lapin Agile" cabaret, situated on the western slope of Montmartre hill, took a set against "modern" art, despite the fact that many of his best customers were noted practitioners of some modern style or the other (Monet, Manet, Degas, Picasso, etc).

In 1905, Picasso painted a self-prortait of himself sitting at the bar dressed as a harlequin in "At the Lapin Agile." When he ran short of cash he traded the painting to Frédé for a hot lunch. Frédé didn't think much of it so in 1912 he sold it for about $20 USD equiv. It last changed hands for $41 million USD.


The Au Lapin Agile cabaret, still there and still open for business

Paris' most important art show was the by-invitation-only "Salon," which habitually spurned the modern artists, so they held an exhibition all their own, which they called the "Salon des Indépendants."

To prove his point, Frédé tied a paint brush to the tail of his pet donkey, Lolo, stood it in front of an easel and canvas, then teased it with its favorite treats to encourage it to swish its tail.


An after-the-fact recreation of the event

They signed the work "J.R. Boronal" and entered it in the 1910 Salon des Indépendants, claiming it was the work of a Genoese painter and an adherent to the new "Extremist" style.

The painting received generally positive reviews and sold to a collector for 20 Golden Louies, about $1800 USD adjusted for inflation.


Frédé and his friend, Lolo.

31 posted on 09/04/2022 3:40:51 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: DUMBGRUNT

The computer identifies as an artist.


32 posted on 09/04/2022 3:43:21 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: Paal Gulli
How odd. All the images "worked" when I previewed before posting.

In any case, this is a vintage photo of Au Lapin Agile:

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And this is cabaret impresario Frédéric Gérard and Lolo:

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33 posted on 09/04/2022 3:47:07 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: gitmo

—”The computer identifies as an artist.”

Coming in at number 32, but worth the wait!


34 posted on 09/04/2022 4:06:49 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last messa)
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To: Zack Attack
"An A.I.-Generated Picture Won an Art Prize. Artists Aren’t Happy."
A beautiful and interesting piece of art. If modern artists (like Hunter Biden) wont do it for us; maybe AI will. Let the modern artists yap, they've destroyed the meaning and purpose of art.
Art Renewal Center: Leading the Revival of Realism (https://www.artrenewal.org/)
35 posted on 09/04/2022 4:14:25 PM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: Zack Attack
"An A.I.-Generated Picture Won an Art Prize. Artists Aren’t Happy."
A beautiful and interesting piece of art. If modern artists (like Hunter Biden) wont do it for us; maybe AI will. Let the modern artists yap, they've destroyed the meaning and purpose of art.
Art Renewal Center: Leading the Revival of Realism (https://www.artrenewal.org/)
36 posted on 09/04/2022 4:17:58 PM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: ByteMercenary

The category he won was “Emerging Digital Artists”.


37 posted on 09/04/2022 4:49:11 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small Miss Small)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

And, then there’s Dali.
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Way back in the day, maybe 40 years ago, my mother had a sales job in a gallery in Vegas that specialized in the Dali lithos.

At the end, they had his sig photolithoed on a stone and just struck what was needed for inventory. The entire operation was sleazy, but presented as posh and elevated.

She said his wife and business manager were cheating him.


38 posted on 09/04/2022 8:21:38 PM PDT by reformedliberal (Make yourself less available.)
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To: BlueLancer

Holy Mackerel!


39 posted on 09/04/2022 10:36:39 PM PDT by Zack Attack
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To: EQAndyBuzz

You can tuna A.I. but you can’t tuna cod


40 posted on 09/04/2022 10:38:13 PM PDT by Zack Attack
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