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RIP Len, But I Still Hate Your Cheating Chiefs
TRFMF ^ | 8/24/22 | Chuck Ness

Posted on 08/24/2022 5:59:06 PM PDT by OneVike

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How about the 1999 NFC championship game between St Louis and Tampa Bay? Dierdorf during his opening monologue said “Does anybody think the NFL is going to let TB win given that the Titans won the AFC game earlier today?” When the Emmanuel catch was ruled a drop Dierdorf went on to claim “The fix is in!” Sure they cheat when big money is involved.

Even if you don't think Emmanuel was down, the Bucs offense managed ZERO touchdowns in 59 minutes of play. The stout defense and its interceptions kept them in the game, but Tampa having 1st and 10 at the 23 with 40 seconds left and Shaun King at QB is far from a sure touchdown for this Bucs offense.

The bookmakers normally make money regardless of who wins. If they fix a game by loading the odds to skew the betting the wrong way, they would be less likely to do that in a high profile game like the NFC title match. Would the NFL get word to the refs to go easy on the Rams, because a Rams-Titans Super Bowl gets better drama/ratings than a Bucs/Titans Super Bowl? I doubt it.
41 posted on 08/24/2022 7:31:12 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (What was 35% of the Rep. Party is now 85%. And it’s too late to turn back—Mac Stipanovich )
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

OK find somebody that will take me up on my challenge find a team that will play another team and one team does not get anything but water when does Gatorade easy to prove them wrong try to find somebody willing to take the bet but you know what in 40 years I have yet to find anyone that wants to take me up on about to prove them wrong they just want to say I’m wrong what prove I’m crazy find someone to take me up on my bed


42 posted on 08/24/2022 7:31:21 PM PDT by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

This guy is whacked. Each pro sports league today has specific rules regarding equity so no team can get an advantage over the other team. Home teams have more luxurious locker rooms than the visitors but once they hit the field, its up to the team to choose what amenities to provide. From heated/cooled benches to sports drinks. They want the game decided by the players (except the game officials always haveca way to screw that up).

All of the on field communication ststems are the same. If one teams comms go down, the other team has to shut their system down until they are restored.


43 posted on 08/24/2022 7:32:51 PM PDT by shotgun
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To: OneVike

I am walking my dogs in the park and talking to my phone to reply
This is why my spelling an words are messed up

I apologize


44 posted on 08/24/2022 7:33:40 PM PDT by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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To: shotgun
Hey, What part of 1970, last game before merger where two leagues had different rules on what could be on the sideline of the other team do you not understand? yet, neither league would have allowed performing enhancing drugs to be used, yet Kansas City did

So if the Chiefs did, it is on them, but that does not change the fact they cheated by using something to artificially enhance the performance of their players.

Under any logical agreement between two competing teams that is called cheating.

Again, this is about 1970, NOT 2022
45 posted on 08/24/2022 7:59:38 PM PDT by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

46 posted on 08/24/2022 7:59:41 PM PDT by gundog ( It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: OneVike

This whole piece is ludicrous.

Gatorade is highly overrated. And any team by that time that wasn’t concerned about electrolytes for competitive athletes needed to hire new doctors and trainers.

Again, Gatorade’s level of electrolytes just isn’t that all fired great. Overrated and overpriced.

When I was a kid on military bases, before the time in discussion here, there was a water fountain and salt tablet dispenser at every hole on the base golf course. The need for electrolyte replacement was not some closely guarded secret.


47 posted on 08/24/2022 8:04:15 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there..)
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission
I wonder how Roman Gabriel felt about these pics.


48 posted on 08/24/2022 8:07:23 PM PDT by gundog ( It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: OneVike

Golf? Is that considered a sport? Asking for a friend.


49 posted on 08/24/2022 9:33:38 PM PDT by GMThrust
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To: gundog

The fabric of space time was wrent when one team so viciously cheated by drinking salt water.

My Great God. In this hour of crisis this is what conservatives dwell on? We are lost.


50 posted on 08/24/2022 11:29:23 PM PDT by Madeline123
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To: OneVike

Who denied the Vikings the Gatorade?


51 posted on 08/24/2022 11:49:32 PM PDT by jy8z
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To: jy8z

Another question is back in the day players were not allowed to drink water on the sideline. It would give them cramps or some crap like that.


52 posted on 08/25/2022 2:29:13 AM PDT by magua (It's not racism, it's just that thisBecause it’s being reported that a lot of this started in 2015.)
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To: KC Burke

Gatorade? Lol.

I grew up in Overland Park. I was there during the heyday.

The Chiefs were tough, especially on defense!



The offense was tricky and there was "Lenny the Cool".



The Chiefs dominated the Vikings from start to finish to win Super Bowl IV.

One of the greatest teams in NFL history.


53 posted on 08/25/2022 4:27:41 AM PDT by Tommy Revolts
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To: OneVike

RIP Len Dawson.
One of the all time greats.
Hard time believe you’re using this moment to whine like a butt hurt teenager about….Gatorade???


54 posted on 08/25/2022 4:43:11 AM PDT by Palio di Siena
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To: OneVike

My comment was about the hope that before writer died, he would see true justice.

As for justice in that era, I’m still pissed the immaculate reception, but was more to my point that the game officials have their own way of screwing games up.

Even if that happened today with instant replay, the league would have backed the call with same camera angles.


55 posted on 08/25/2022 4:49:38 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: OneVike

You Viqueen fans are a miserable lot. Always something to whine about. It’s funny but I feel sad for you. After seeing decades of excuse after excuse.we finally have it nailed down and the blame is on Gatorade. Got it.


56 posted on 08/25/2022 5:43:25 AM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: OneVike

1. The Vikes could have managed their electrolytes too, but Bud Grant was more concerned with making sure his players didn’t tire themselves out by having sex the night before the game (or maybe that was only in later SB losses).

2. The 69 Vikes, like the 68 Colts, were victims of the illusion that the NFL was still light-years ahead of the AFL. At least at the top, the AFL had caught up. Once Lombardi left and the Packers dynasty ended, the NFL was not that great. By contrast, the top teams in the AFL - Chiefs, Raiders and for that one year, Jets, had sharpened each other.


57 posted on 08/25/2022 6:22:14 AM PDT by Burma Jones
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To: BlueMondaySkipper
You Viqueen fans are a miserable lot. Always something to whine about.

LOL, even us poor Lions fans aren't that miserable.

58 posted on 08/25/2022 6:26:26 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Madeline123

Yeah. Less than two years after the stolen election, too many people seem to have let it go. But this....


59 posted on 08/25/2022 6:48:51 AM PDT by gundog ( It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: Burma Jones

OK, here is the genesis of my theory ands why it has hounded me so long. I’ll set things up to give you some background, then get to the gist of how I came across this idea.

I have been a die hard Viking fan since a friend got me into it back when his Packers were kicking butt. His dad was a former player, and he grew up watching football, and got me interested in it.

As for the competition, I do not completely deny what you said, because if you look at the Vikings season they were blowing away teams all year, Earlier in the year they destroyed Cleveland by a score of 51 to 3. In the last game of the season the Vikings lost to Atlanta 10-3 because Grant rested most his players. Even with a loss the Vikings were guaranteed home filed advantage throughout the playoffs. Which almost cost them the game against the Rams, because the Rams were ready for them, and there Vikings eaked out a 3 point win in the final rally from behind.

I was young, only 13, but I remember thinking we should win, but was convinced by most people I knew who paid attention to expect a close game against the Chiefs. I knew they were good, and like most of the AFL, they were a pass happy team compared to the more traditional Vikings who usually played smash mouth football. After all, Kapp was not known for his arm, in reality he was more like Tim Tebow than Tarkenton. Yet the defense was superb, and most pass happy teams they played were humbled by the Vikings great secondary, and strong Defensive line who was known for getting to the QB for a lot of pressure.

My stepfather wasn’t much into football, so I was invited to watch the game at Arne’s house. (the friend I mentioned above) They had a cool color TV. As I said his father was a big Packer fan since the days he used to butt heads with them. As you know most players keep in touch. He was from Wisconsin and retired in Fondulac, just over the border in Wisconsin from Duluth.

Arne’s father was a former player for the Cardinals. He was with them at Chicago, but not sure if he was when they to St Louis. He retired in like 60 or shortly late I think. Anyway, His take was that the Vikings should win, but like everyone else, he also told me not to expect an easy game. He knew what kind of problems fast quick passing teams could do to a defense, and he was impressed with the Chiefs, but believed the Vikings Defensive secondary was too much for their receivers, and that Kapp could handle anything their defense tossed at him.

As the game went on he was shocked how bad the Vikings looked. He is the one who told me he thought it was a mistake for Bud to give most of his players off the last week of the season, he hated the idea, but understood Coaches liked it since injuries were extremely devastating to a team in the playoffs after a brutal Season. Remember, back the football was brutal. Players didn’t take a game off for many reasons. Some even played with broken limbs.

Anyway, he was shocked at how lethargic the Vikings looked. He even made a remark, “Come on, you guys look like your throwing the game”. I looked at him and he smiled and said I’m just joking kid. I was pretty devastated after the game.

A few years later I was watching the Super Bowl in the stockade while in Germany. Long story short, I went AWOL for a Month. Anyway, I lost my Months ration card for cigarettes to a Pittsburgh Steeler fan over a bet on the Super Bowl between the Vikings and the Steelers.

He was an older guy in his 40s, who got 8 Months for beaten up a guy pretty bad over a bet. He almost killed him, but for the fact the guy lived he was looking at life. Anyway, I had my ration card with me and gave it to him the second the game was over. He told me he lost money on that Viking Kansas game. He is the first one to ever mention the link between the loss and Gatorade.

He said it was a rumor going around that KC players were juiced one some new fangled concoction called Gatorade. He didn’t know much more, but did mention that it had made a bit of a splash, (his words) in the college scene. It was first time I heard of the conspiracy, as he referred to it. I guess a lot of gamblers lost big money on the Vikings. He said he never bet on a game the Chiefs were in after that.

Anyway, that is my story, and how it has bugged me all these years, and why I always find tidbits I add to what I know. Like the Georgia coach who in on record of admitting he believed gatorade is why his team lost to Florida in the “67” Orange Bowl. I read in Sports Illustrated back in the early “90”s about the connection between a Florida Official and Lamar Hunt. Sports Illustrated story readily admitted the Chiefs used Gatorade before any other NFL team knew of or heard of it. Yet afterwards everyone did.

I used to have like 25 years of Sports illustrated magazines in boxes. But when we moved to Idaho my wife persuaded me to leave them behind. I wish I still had them.

Anyway, Gatorade will not make a poor team beat a good team, but it can make the difference between two evenly matched teams, as the Chiefs and the Vikings were. Give water to a team on a Humid day after the team drove from the fridged fields of Minneapolis to New Orleans and expect them to play against a team drinking Gatorade, and yes, it can make a difference.

Plenty of players are on record for chalking up the benefits of Gatorade in a game. As I said, I have yet to meet an athlete who is willing to forgo the benefit of gatorade, or any other modern drink that does the same thing, just to drink water during competition.

I played Tennis in college, and I can tell you for certain there is a difference between water and gatorade.

Well, that is my story, and I am sticking to it.


60 posted on 08/25/2022 12:11:48 PM PDT by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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