Posted on 06/22/2022 10:31:03 AM PDT by JOHN ADAMS
I voted for Trump twice, and I’m a lawyer and I played a small role in his challenge to the results. My question for this board is: why shouldn’t we pick a winner? Trump lost. He lost the election and he lost, pathetically, in the post-election challenges. He lost those legal challenges before Trump-appointed judges as well Bush appointees, Obama appointees, and Clinton appointees.
He’s persuaded 40-something percent of the country but not matter what he does, he cannot – can not – persuade more people. He has not done so and will not do so. It may suck, but it’s a fact.
We have to be grownups and face that fact.
To quote Trump himself, speaking about McCain – “he lost. So I never liked him much after that, because I don't like losers."
Don’t we need a winner -- someone who can actually get elected? The principles we espouse – belief in private property, in the right to bear arms, belief in the biology of the human race (XX= female, XY = male); respect for religion; belief in American exceptionalism – these are principles that most Americans believe in. If Trump espouses those principles and can’t get to, never mind above, 50%, don’t we need to pick someone who can?
You’ll say the election was stolen and that we can’t prevent that from happening again unless the crime is unmasked and punished.
Assuming your premise, just ask yourself this: is Trump able to get the crime punished? Really? The answer, you know it, is “no.”
You’ll say it’s because the other side is corrupt and they cheat. I agree with you. We need someone who can DEFEAT them at that game. Trump has proven that he cannot do so. He is what he called McCain: a loser. He lost. He has no way to unlose, because 50% of the country hates his guts and would sooner vote for Mickey Mouse. You may think that’s ridiculous, but you do not have the legal power to make them vote for your guy instead. It just isn’t going to happen.
We’re the grownups. We have to face facts and deal with facts. Just as half the country supported slavery in 1865, so half the country supports slavery now. We have to have a leader who can LEAD those people to a better place. Ronald Reagan could do that.
We should find a leader who can actually LEAD people to that place. That means not only people like us, who already support these principles, but people who can be PERSUADED to support them.
Trump can not do that. He can’t. He doesn’t have the ability to do it.
The New Yorker, which I know all Freepers read religiously and believe every word it says, has an article up savaging DeSantis. As the National Review points out, the article can’t avoid saying he’s very smart, works very hard, is committed to conservative principles. And he wins elections. And he would win in a walk against Brandon. Shouldn’t we be smart and pick, or at least start looking for, a winner?
Why? If you find your water has been poisoned, do you have to know who did it before you refuse to drink it?
Throw it out. All you should have to prove is that it's poisoned.
Fetch another batch.
Did “Lia” Thomas the male really win those all-female swimming competitions, or did the male cheat?
The male cheated, of course. Which means the male didn’t win even though the male may have reached the finish line first.
Did the first female to reach the finish who didn’t cheat lose? No. They are the true winner, no matter what the corrupt swimming “administrators” may say.
You know someone who has more to lose than Trump over election security?
You have to drink the poisoned water unless the poisoner confesses to the poisoning - while reaping the rewards of NOT confessing [power over the government of the United States].
That's what I'm seeing from the FR vote fraud deniers.
"Standing" is borrowed from Humpty Dumpty. "It means just what I choose it to mean ."
"Standing" is the same bullsh*t they pulled on proving Obama was a "natural born citizen."
Nobody ever has "standing" to challenge liberal authority, but liberals always have "standing" to challenge anything a conservative leader does.
Again, thanks for the work you put into your charts. If people want evidence, you can give it to them.
America. Our Republic.
You might want to look at this:
Trump won; fraud prevailed.
If I go to bed and there is not a cloud in the sky but I wake up and there is 6 inches of snow on the ground and still not a cloud in the sky do I have to prove it snowed? I never saw one flake fall.
Good analogy...
2024, it’s not far away now..As we approach ‘24 the leftist will flood this site and others like a tidal wave, peddling the same old thing... Most are frauds, spooks, insiders, and assorted Communist America haters, many of which are probably on the government payroll in one form or another. And you never hear them even discuss election fraud, expect to minimize, mock it and discredit it.
Divide the united...Keep supporting the same old insiders who’ve made lucrative *careers* off politics, selling influence and lining their pockets, while running this country straight into the ground
Oh, you mean like we should be electing more lawyers turned career politicians, most of which never worked in the private sector.
In 2016 Trump promised to balance the budget, build the border wall, lock up Hillary Clinton, get us out of Afghanistan, appoint pro-life Supreme Court justices, and cut taxes. He built 458 miles of border wall along a 1,954 mile border and appointed the pro-life Supreme Court justices. The rest of it never materialized, in spite of the fact that the Rats did not gain control of Congress until 2018.
For someone who's not a career politician Trump does a very good job of behaving like one. He overpromises and underdelivers. And let's not forget his talking out of both sides of his mouth on the COVID vax whereas Paul and DeSantis's positions have never wavered. If Trump is the nominee in 2024 I will vote for him. But he would not be my first choice in the primary.
If private sector experience made for good politicians then Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg would be the best presidential candidates of all.
Off topic but I was on a criminal jury once and your post is word for word how the Judge explained what “beyond reasonable doubt” means
Trump won, you surrender. Pathetic as hell.
You trash a man who sacrificed everything, the first patriot in decades. You're cool, you've got the perspective. huh?
Quit with the “we.”
At the end of the day. Trump is just too old. It’s as simple as that. His time has passed.
Exactly. I said Joe Biden was too old to run in 2020 when he was 78. In 2024 Trump will also be 78. I wish Trump well and hope he has a peaceful retirement, but he needs to pass the baton to a younger conservative. No more octogenarians of either party running up huge deficits, knowing they will be dead when the bill comes due.
He will get the wall building going again and he will order the Justice department to investigate and prosecute election fraud.
Trump had 4 years in which to build the wall, 2 if you subtract the years the Rats controlled Congress, and in that time he built all of 458 miles of wall. For context the US-Mexico border is 1,954 miles long. He filed 60+ lawsuits about the voter fraud, which failed to put a single fraudulent voter in jail.
If past performance is the best indicator of future performance, it's not looking good for a second Trump presidency.
I'm not in the least surprised.☺
Btw, I've always been a bit dubious of people who wear their jobs/careers on their sleeve.
Good to know there’s other Freepers who are disappointed in Trump and looking for an alternative. Kudos for having the balls to post this.
Tell me lurker, which president in modern American history did more bring attention to and actually do something to secure our borders, instead of peddling lip service to America for 50+ years now?
Name these people.
I have been at this BS for 50 years now too, all we have gotten from these bastards is the middle finger!! Reagan made a HUGE mistake granted amnesty for a SECURE border they got their amnesty and we got the middle finger from the republicans as usual!!!
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