Posted on 04/26/2022 10:17:45 AM PDT by DEPcom
According to Russia’s Ministry of Emergency Situations, in the event of a nuclear attack on Moscow, there is space in underground facilities for all of the population. While this is a very bold claim, Moscow is famous for the massive amount of bunkers it has available for Civil Defense (гражданской обороны) and the military.
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Just for the sake of this discussion...the food rations in the shelters? Still from 1984? Someone around to have tested the power, water and sanitation since 1993? I’m a bit skeptical.
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Chin up, lad! If it happens, not a damned thing you can do about it; if it doesn't, you were worried and depressed for nothing.
Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die.
NO ONE is ready for a nuclear war, but Russia could have more surviving citizens than anyone else...wait, China, China might have hundreds of millions that survive.
Some factoids:
1) SALT and START treaties greatly reduced the warhead inventory on both sides. The Nuclear Winter scenario of decades ago was likely not valid, but regardless of that, inventory size today is very much smaller than then. Currently about 5500 nuclear warheads US, 6400 Russian, and a solid 10% of both sides are theater tactical, aka, very low yield.
2) Miltary officers do not target civilians. The Russian schools for officers are almost all attachments to civilian universities. About 5 are seperate. This is essentially identical to US ROTC and Academies. Orders to attack cities/civilian targets are judged illegal in the US and Russia curricula both. Washington DC would be wiped out because of Pentagon proximity. Ditto Moscow because of defense bases surrounding. Moscow would do far better than DC because of the shelters described. The US doesn’t fund that stuff nearly at all.
3) Ukraine officers went to the Russian schools. The generals on both sides were classmates. They all know exactly how this plays out, on both sides.
4) This is the first war with superb quality satellite recon on both sides. All the propaganda talk of which weapons are doing well and which are crap (usually text created to influence the next Indian buy) is largely inconsequential. The weapons matter almost not at all. The recon is everything. Troops can’t move without being seen. Targets are specified by both sides from satellite imagery. This has never ever ever happened before in the history of mankind.
Yep.
Those bunkers had better far away and/or be very deep to have a chance.
If they are right under Moscow, and it gets hit with multiple high yield nukes, the seizmic damage may not cause a collapse to the hardened spaces, but it could easily trap them and destroy systems and services. In other words, it’s a massive death trap.
“What cause does Russia have that would make them want to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine?”
Nuclear weapons all around Russia’s bordering countries. JFK damned near went nuclear just for a few missiles in Cuba.
If the Russian in charge of fallout shelters says anything other than “We are ready for nuclear war.” he would probably not be in charge for long.
Similar to the guy who told Putin, “We are ready for war in Ukraine.”
We go into the showdown with the russkies with the DEMENTIA riddled WORST pResident in US history, a man who has NEVER demonstrated ANY leadership qualities, who's questionable record of probable kickbacks and bribe-taking subject him to coercion and blackmail.
Our second in command demonstrated that she is TOTALLY unprepared and incapable, and is the most unpopular VP in American history. Her only "qualification" being that she slept with other dirty politicians.
The Secretary of State has demonstrated absolutely NOTHING but amateur performance, and the Secretary of Defense is in that position as a token, after having demonstrated total incompetence while serving as a general who promoted due to his race and who started his tenure as SECDEF with one of the most humiliating disasters in recent American military history with his withdrawal from Afghanistan.
I'm not feeling good about the possibilities.
If the west concedes southern and western Ukraine to Russia, no chance of Tactical nukes. If it continues to escalate with bigger and better weapons, chances of tactical nukes definitley greater than zero. Worth the Risk?
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This proxy war we’re fighting is making me antsy. Some sites are saying we’ve spent close to 14 billion fighting against Russia.
Pretty soon Putin is going to get fed up with this sleight of hand and hit us directly. And it seems this administration really wants it to happen.
Russian and before them the Soviet doctrine has always been that nuclear war is winable. They have shelters not only in Moscow but every major City. St Petersburg subways have huge blast doors on all the exits and in the train tunnels so Moscow I have seen both with my own eyes. Russia spans 12 timezones its the largest country by landmass on.earth. There is no way to irradiated enough of the forests and farmlands to.make it uninhabitable. Fallout peaks immediately after the blast and over the next two.weeks drops off by orders of magnitude by a month even in the direct fallout plume of a surface burst one could leave a bunker and make the surface transportation even walking to leave that area without getting near a LD50 REM dose. By a year later you could move back with only slightly higher then background levels of radiation. There are 4 long lived isotopes they are all water soluble the rain will wash most into the local watersheds diluting them over time. Iodine, and strontium are the two that bioaccumulate. Grass to.cows to milk for strontium specifically. Even then only the direct fallout plume paths would have long term levels. Moscow has shelter space for every resident and food for three months plenty of time to ride out peak fallout. What has the USA done for its citizens? That says something about which government values it’s citizens doesn’t it.
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