Posted on 04/24/2022 6:06:41 PM PDT by RandFan
@matt_boose
Mark Levin going on about how “America First” conservatives who oppose intervention in Ukraine actually “hate America”. Truly awful to see neocon shills try to co-opt the Trump movement.
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The only problem is that you just quoted a fictional piece. There’s nothing fictional about what happened to our republic.
Kev, that deal was signed with the legitimate government in Ukraine. That government was overthrown by the Azov Nazi, Schwab, Soros elements in 2014. We owe this fraud government nothing.
They are doing exactly what they are accusing Russia of doing. They are raping, torturing, and kidnaping the Russian speaking citizens. Genocide. Child trafficking. SMH
Why do you think Soros, his Open Society and all of his NGOs are located there? WEF Schwab? Where did Zelensky get all that money for a $34,000,000 mansion in Florida? Why does a mediocre comedian have a $1.3 billion account in Costa Rica?
Damn. And I respected him. He wants to follow the Budapest Memo off a cliff? Supply them with arms and intel, and STFU. Budapest Memo doesn’t require boots on the ground or USAF or NATO in the fray.
Kev, that deal was signed with the legitimate government in Ukraine.
***Then it is a legit treaty with Ukraine.
That government was overthrown by the Azov Nazi, Schwab, Soros elements in 2014.
***Bullshiite. All that trouble was stirred up by Putin when oil & gas reserves were discovered in the region and he wanted to invade to get them.
We owe this fraud government nothing.
***We owe the people of Ukraine assurance of sovereignty. It says so right in that agreement.
They are doing exactly what they are accusing Russia of doing.
***They’re invading Russia? Incredible bullshiite.
They are raping, torturing, and kidnaping the Russian speaking citizens.
***I don’t buy it. I doubt you buy it that all this trouble was a giant nothingburger until oil & gas were discovered in that region so Vlad sent in operatives to stir up trouble there. I never heard any trouble in that region until then.
Genocide. Child trafficking. SMH
***Bullshiite. Sovereign Country. Treaty. SMH.
Why do you think Soros,
***I do not give a flying frack about soros. In any conflict there are gonna be people on each side, and not everyone sees eye to eye. Why do you think Trump says we should send even more aid to Ukraine than what Biden is sending?
his Open Society and all of his NGOs are located there?
***Putin didn’t invade because of Soros. He invaded due to oil & gas.
This war is about OIL. https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4050958/posts
The Russians weren’t even interested in eastern Ukraine until oil was found there. Their interest is simply in raping that country. Russia gets 60% of its revenues from oil exports. Europe gets 40% of their oil from Russia.
In 2012 massive oil and gas reserves were found in Crimea. Crimea signed a $10 billion exploration contracts with Shell and Chevron to develop the new found oil and gas fields. These oil and gas products would compete in Europe with Russia’s oil and gas, reducing Russia’s oil revenues, which we recall amount to 60% of their total GDP. Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, cancelling the contracts with Shell and Chevron.
But Ukraine still had massive reserves in, you guessed it, Donetsk and Luhansk, and other areas East of the Dnieper River. In 2019, Energy Secretary Rick Perry visited Ukraine, and soon after Ukraine awarded exploration contracts to a consortium of U.S. oil companies. Again, these oil reserves would compete in Europe with Russian oil, so Putin is invading Ukraine to shut down this latest attempt to extract Ukrainian oil and sell it in competition with Russian oil.
This explanation makes more sense to me than the “Putin feels threatened by NATO expansion” excuses for the invasion.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4044221/posts?page=1#1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CmdSzVFSKc
If the Ukes allow some small region in the west to be its own republic, but the OIL belongs to Ukraine, do ya think Pootypoot would allow that? Nope.
WEF Schwab? Where did Zelensky get all that money for a $34,000,000 mansion in Florida?
*** I do not care. It’s all just a bunch of red herrings. One country invaded the other. There’s a treaty in place that covers this.
Why does a mediocre comedian have a $1.3 billion account in Costa Rica?
***Why does another billionaire who became president agree that we should send more aid to Ukraine? Because it’s the right thing to do.
“I support Ukraine, but adamantly oppose sending OUR KIDS over there to be killed!”
Ukraine seems to be holdings its own, and I’m also adamantly opposed to mushroom clouds.
I bet a lot. They’re always looking for whitey to fight for them.
I know a lot of military personnel in all branches. Zero from the tribe.
Ahhh,,,
You must be speaking of the “Budapest Amendment”..
This amendment was never ratified by the senate. It is not a treaty obligation. It is nothing more than a signed piece of paper that carries no weight.
We are not legally or morally obligated to defend Ukraine.
The USA has no business getting involved in Europe’s affairs.
To paraphrase the late great Thomas Jefferson:
Europe is continent in a constant state of war. Better for us to stay out of it.
Those words were true over 200 years ago.
Those words were true before the birth of Christ.
Those words are true today.
Those words will be true when our great grandchildren are old and grey.
Better for us to stay out of it.
We can’t babysit Europe in perpetuity.
Time for them to put European lives on the line if necessary and write their own checks.
The majority of NATO members still do not meet their obligations IIRC… and refuse to do so.
Time to let them pay the proce and handle European problems.
Not to mention they gladly mooch and beg, then hate us.
It is an accession to the United Nations Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, ratified by the senate, following accession protocols.
This amendment was never ratified by the senate.
***The treaty itself was ratified, which includes accession protocols.
It is not a treaty obligation.
***It IS a treaty obligation. You can look up the treaty yourself on da interwebs.
It is nothing more than a signed piece of paper that carries no weight.
***It carries the weight of the world and nuclear nonproliferation. If we don’t get that one right, the whole world is fracked. Not just Europe, but on every continent, all those 2 bit dictators will be looking to build nukes.
We are not legally or morally obligated to defend Ukraine.
***I find it fascinating that you pantywaist appeasing pansies have to find “obligation” in your attempts to nitpick an international treaty. When Russia invaded [twice], it was not showing “respect” for the sovereignty nor borders of Ukraine. Any CinC in the signatory countries could easily send in troops to ‘respect’ sovereignty in the case of invasion, upholding the original borders called out in the agreement. What is sauce for the ‘special military operation’ oil-grabbing pootyGoose is sauce for the ‘special military operation’ border-respecting Gander.
The USA has no business getting involved in Europe’s affairs.
***We had plenty of bizness getting involved because it was denuking the Ukes of hundreds of weapons that could kill billions of people. That was the right thing to do. In exchange we assured their sovereignty, and we have betrayed them. We have no bizness betraying them, they never shoulda given up their nukes. And through our betrayal, if they build suitcase nukes and deploy them in their existential war, we have no one to blame but ourselves because we betrayed them and we didn’t keep it CONVENTIONAL.
I oppose it. It’s not our war Mark.
We can’t babysit Europe in perpetuity.
***I keep running into this self-affirming a priori bullshiite assertion. We did the right thing when we took a bunch of nukes that could kill billions of souls off the table. We should do the right thing by that agreement which assures sovereignty to the country that did the right thing in giving up their nukes.
Time for them to put European lives on the line if necessary and write their own checks.
***I agree it is time for them to step up; in the past it was time for us to step up and we did, and we got those nukes off the table. We obligated ourselves towards Uke sovereignty by that very same agreement.
The majority of NATO members still do not meet their obligations IIRC… and refuse to do so.
***I know. But the ratified treaty of the UN NNPT was not a NATO document.
Time to let them pay the proce and handle European problems.
***It was time for us to address nuke nonproliferation in 1994, and we did so. We obligated ourselves morally towards Uke sovereignty so it is time for us to fulfill that obligation. Otherwise we should just be giving the ukes back their nukes so they can regain their own sovereignty.
Not to mention they gladly mooch and beg, then hate us.
***They weren’t mooching nor begging when they gave up those nukes. They’ve been invaded twice due to giving up their nukes. We betrayed them.
This is the key point for me. Normally, I would be in favor of supporting a country from invasion, but not with active intervention unless our real national security is at stake, which it is not in Ukraine.
I refuse to ally with the likes of the Democrat Party (and their Republican assistants) Soros, Zelensky, Trudeau, and the Pope.
These people have repeatedly shown that they not only do not have the best interests of the United States at heart, but are antithetical to the existence of this country and the concepts from which it was founded.
I will not side with them. Ever.
Because every single thing they do is calculated to destroy this country.
What Treaty? Was it ratified by Congress?
It was not, yet you persist in blabbing about it.
Grab a gun and go fight if you want. But quit pressing to get other people’s family members killed in foreign wars that get us nothing but body bags for our loved ones and a trip home to Dover in a casket. Absolutely nothing benefits the average American who does all the dying.
Let Europe fight their own wars. Bunch of cowards that know if they send their own troops, hah, like any if they have them, all hell will break loose at home.
Registration Number 52241
Title Memorandum on security assurances in connection with Ukraine’s accession to the TREATY on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons
https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000280401fbb
This treaty was ratified in the US senate.
It was not, yet you persist in blabbing about it.
***The Budapest Accession was following the proper, RATIFIED protocols for an accession to a ratified United Nations Treaty, in this case the treaty on Nuclear Non Proliferation.
Grab a gun and go fight if you want.
***I will if you pay for it. I can’t afford it. Go ahead and set up a gofundme account to pay my expenses, and I’ll join their suitcase nuke program.
But quit pressing to get other people’s family members killed in foreign wars that get us nothing
***That’s why I push the emBASEee strategee so that our boys are fighting for American LAND.
but body bags for our loved ones and a trip home to Dover in a casket.
***There it is, that a priori position.
Absolutely nothing benefits the average American who does all the dying.
***It would if we implemented the emBASEee strategee.
Let Europe fight their own wars.
***Those hundreds of nukes were the right thing to dismantle and take off the world table, they endangered millions of lives. We did the right thing, Russia did the wrong thing, and it is time for us to step up and do the right thing that we obligated ourselves to do when we assured sovereignty in exchange for those nukes.
Bunch of cowards that know if they send their own troops,
***I’ll go. Just pay me.
hah, like any if they have them, all hell will break loose at home.
***You guys are the cowards, pantywaist appeasing cowards.
Dude,
Every, and I mean EVERY time an amendment is proposed to a treaty, it needs to be ratified by the senate. Period.
This is not fantasy. This is the law of the United States.
The treaty itself IS a bona fide ratifed treaty.
Any proposed changes to said treaty is subject to ratification by the senate.
This amendment was NOT ratified by the senate.
Period.
You, sir, are nothing but a war monger.
As soon as you take your children and grandchildren down to the recruiters office and sign them up, I might listen to you.
Not one drop of American blood, not one dollar of American treasure.
I did not take any sort of leave from FR. FR did ban a number of people who supported Cruz during the nomination process.
I have been back on FR for quite a long time which I think you all can see.
You all plainly do not support Trump’s statements in favor of neo con policy. I guess you all are never trumpers.
So you are rather unpersuasive on your points.
The personal attacks are of course noted.
Dude,
Every, and I mean EVERY time an amendment is proposed to a treaty, it needs to be ratified by the senate. Period.
***Accession protocols are ratified by the senate.
This is not fantasy. This is the law of the United States.
***And that law was followed. Those protocols are ratified by the senate of the USA.
The treaty itself IS a bona fide ratifed treaty.
***That should end the discussion right there.
agreed
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