Posted on 03/19/2022 4:49:27 PM PDT by conservative98
Back by popular demand, Charlie welcomes back to the show Pedro Gonzalez, Associate Editor of Chronicles Magazine, for a second, in-depth talk about the truth regarding Ukraine, America's involvement in the country, and how our own nation shares, at least in part, for how Ukraine arrived at this fateful moment in history.
Who exactly is Victoria Nuland? How was the US State Department involved in the Maidan Protests and subsequent violent and killing that ultimately resulted in the removal of a democratically elected president?
Was the CIA involved in the so-called "Revolution of Dignity" in Ukraine?
What role did neocons like John McCain and Lindsay Graham play in provoking Russia's current, evil aggression?
As the drums of war continue beating louder than ever, it is more critical than ever that the TRUE history of America's involvement in Eastern Europe is heard by the majority of Americans.
A follow up to one of The Charlie Kirk Show's most popular episodes, please share this episode with all of your war hawk and neocon friends.
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“I told you what I think. I told you what I perceive “other” people think should be done. There is no fracking dodge.”
Oh really ?!
“So the Ukes are free to build their own nukes and we should help with that.”
Seriously ?!??
Let’s introduce another nuclear weapons element into this war ?!!
It’s ok, just acknowledge your dodge.
I’ve seen Pedro Gonzalez on Tucker’s show I think, maybe Laura Ingraham. I found him to be very interesting.
Seriously ?!??
Let’s introduce another nuclear weapons element into this war ?!!
***That element is ALREADY introduced into this war. It is what this war is ABOUT. The Rukes would not have invaded if the Ukes had kept their Nukes. And the Ukes are motivated to build their own nukes because of our betrayal over this issue. You SERIOUSLY can’t SEE that??!!?
It’s ok, just acknowledge your dodge.
***Again, where is the dodge? You asked a question, I answered it. Do you even know what a dodge IS?
“Read the agreement, do what it says.”
“What I think should be done is quite different than “what should be done.”
That’s the very definition of dodge when asked “what do you think should be done?”
C’mo man, Just own it dude.
I posted what I thought we should do. That answers the question.
So frack off. Go play fake dodge ball with someone else.
“That element is ALREADY introduced into this war.”
No, it is not. It may have been a factor leading up, but NOT a factor right now, unless IDIOTS think it’s a good idea to introduce Ukraine nukes.
It is what this war is ABOUT. The Rukes would not have invaded if the Ukes had kept their Nukes. And the Ukes are motivated to build their own nukes because of our betrayal over this issue. You SERIOUSLY can’t SEE that??!!?
Yes the Russians would not have invaded if the Ukrainians had nukes right now, but that is not what the war is “ABOUT”.
Ukraine has not had nuclear weapons for decades and was not about to acquire them.
You SERIOUSLY can’t SEE that??!!?
Loser response.
Yes, yours is a luzer response. Learn what a dodge is, go play your fake dodgeball game with someone else.
Yes the Russians would not have invaded if the Ukrainians had nukes right now, but that is not what the war is “ABOUT”.
***By your own admission, that is what this war is ABOUT.
Ukraine has not had nuclear weapons for decades and was not about to acquire them.
You SERIOUSLY can’t SEE that??!!?
***They could acquire them in a matter of weeks. They have 15 nuke power plants. They have the knowledge. They have fissionable material. They have experience. They HAD nukes and gave them up. They had Chernobyl, for chrissakes. And now they have the motivation. You SERIOUSLY can’t SEE that??!!?
Hence, like I said in post #75
So then the Budapest Agreement is void. And the Ukes can go ahead and build their own nukes and blow the Rukes to hell because this is, after all, an existential war for them. We did it when we were in an existential war, so who are we to scold them for doing the same thing, especially after we sold them down the river on that very agreement?
So in your convoluted opinion Putin decided to act now because he feared that Ukraine was just recently about to acquire nuclear weapons? Funny he didn’t mention that.
Uhh, yes he did. what?
I’m done with this fracking troll.
They were Soviet nukes and Ukraine didn't have the codes to use them. The fear was they'd be sold to the highest bidder by the corrupt Ukraine military and turned into dirty bombs.
The US violated the Budapest Agreement many times by interfering in the domestic politics of Ukraine, none more so than when it engineered the overthrow of a democratically elected government in 2014.
Finally, the Budapest agreement was NOT a treaty ratified by Congress and has no binding authority for a US military response.
...none of which require the United States to defend Ukraine by committing US forces to the conflict.
The agreement you cite (& link to in your Post #65) is a political memorandum, not a treaty. The source you linked states clearly that "neither the George H. W. Bush administration nor the Clinton administration was prepared to give a military commitment to Ukraine, and they did not believe the US Senate would ratify an international treaty and so the memorandum was adopted in more limited terms." In addition, "the Memorandum is not legally binding" and your reference refers to it as a "political commitment", noting that "it does not force anyone to act in Ukraine".
My Post #36 asked specifically if the US was "obligated by treaty to come to Ukraine's defense" - the answer despite your protestations is clearly "NO"...
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