“Russia claims it will stop the war immediately if Ukraine agrees to:
- cease military action - change constitution to enshrine neutrality - recognize Crimea as Russian territory - recognize the Russian-controlled areas of Donetsk and Luhansk as independent states”
So what is Ukraine’s problem? Accept the reasonable terms and move on. Reject them and face war.
As long as America is sanctioning and demonizing Russia then we are weakening the dollar’s position as the global reserve currency. I want us to be friends with Russia and I want them to be our trading partner. Demonization of Russia does not serve America’s interest.
What’s your problem?
Why you come here and act as some agent for Russia?
Why not a status quo ante bellum?
That would be equally “reasonable”
Demonization of Russia serves the interests of the New World Order and that is who is running the USA.
Before the invasion I noted that Putin had a legitimate concern about the expansion of NATO. But the terms you outline are not reasonable. They give Putin everything he wants, and so reward his aggression. In a way, it would be like the Munich agreement of 1938.
So what terms would be reasonable? That’s a tough question to answer. This war must stop before it spirals out of control. But of course Putin will not call a halt to things just because we want him to.
I think this is a troll to some degree. The Russians won't give up their gains on Mariupol. Their position will consolidate, and then they will take the position that we offered this but that is offer is withdrawn. Our offer now to take (whatever they control at the time) is reasonable. You can accept peace now, or lose more territory and accept peace later.
We wouldn’t be having this problem if those dastardly Ukrainians hadn’t invaded Russia.
Oh, wait...
Ukraine doesn’t have to do anything.
The West: “Hey Russia we just kicked you out of the international financial system. Now pay your GD debt.”
The Russians: “Do you have an international clearing house where those payments can be made?”
The West: “Uh...Uh...We will get back to later when General Zelensky is done playing Braveheart.”
I want us to be friends with Germany and I want them to be our trading partner. Demonization of Hitler does not serve America’s interest - 1938 version.
UK is discussing sanctions. Considering sanctions on countries who failed to denounce Russia. Concerned with hostile disinformation.
One of Russia’s prime reasons for annexing Crimea and invading Ukraine was to control Ukraine’s oil, gas, and mineral reserves so that it cannot arise as an economic competitor. If Joe Biden and the West had clean hands, they could have publicized this and shown Putin as basically an armed robber taking everything its neighbor had, leaving it an impoverished backwater with no future.
I’m all for negotiating something reasonable, but Putin cannot be rewarded for using aggression to seize everything he wanted from the start. He’ll only do it again and again.
“... I want us to be friends with Russia...”
What are you.. a 12 year old girl who DESPERATELY needs to be liked by the popular kids?!
So, say some gangbangers break into your house (you did nothing to provoke them). They take over half your house, abuse your family, and wreck the rest of your house. You, rightfully and understandably, fight back.
After a while, the gangbangers say, “If you stop fighting back, and put your house in a trust with the provision that you can’t sell it without our permission; and you relinquish that part of your house we have taken over, and accept and recognize that it is now ours, we’ll stop our attack to take your whole house and kill you and your family.”
You have a choice: You can say, “Over my dead body!” or, “Okay, you can have it.”
Most people here have never seen this and don’t care. They are too hopped up on war hysteria, we must destroy the devil, Putin, regardless of the cost. Notice how hard it was for you to find Russia’s peace requirements for a full withdrawal? The Russian demands, unreasonable and legit are totally squelched. The Russian peace/cease fire proposals compromise the West’s laughable but overwhelmingly successful disinformation narrative so they must be shouted down before being considered. Read on, by even posting the Russian position you have identified yourself as Putin/KGB stooge.
Frog spirits of Revelation loosed. Revelation 16:13-16
Lamps full at the Varsity household of faith.
Revelation 16:15.
“And He gathered them together to the place which is called in Hebrew, Armageddon.
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Revelation 16:16.
I’ve heard Putin ask for “denazification” and demilitarization on TV.
Demilitarization is more than mere neutrality.
At least you are honest enough to admit that your major, or only, concern is the reserve currency. I do think that it is one of the Biden administration’s plans to force the Yuan as a secondary reserve currency, and this “war” seems to be serving that end.
My experience has been that most people think with their wallets and their family - in that order. It makes a lot of sense out of the chaos that sometimes appears on FR.
So let's say I (your next door neighbor) kick in your door and beat your ass, murder one of your kids and demolish your kitchen. I'll stop if you give me half your property and give up your ability to defend yourself. No? What's your problem? Accept my reasonable terms and move on!
Then poots needs to die. On the other hand, installing a buttSchwab puppet in his place is no good. Although that would bring an immediate halt to the two minutes of "die russia die" nonsense. It's just pooter that needs to go.
Zelensky the clown should take that offer and get the hell out of dodge if he has any sense (ooops...maybe he doesn’t have any sense).