They did not include those killed in vehicle crashes and in the hands of others; murder and medical misadventure.
i wonder if they saw my post on FR haha
this isn’t a clerical error or a mistake.
This is a bold faced LIE about the deaths to propagate a narrative.
heads must roll.
When a lie no longer serves, the liars abandon it.
“who were already on their way out the door”
This is true of course. The Italians are just saying that most who died had comorbidities. But exactly when death would come knocking is extremely variable - next week or in ten years? Covid accelerated a lot of these, by how much, in each case, we can’t say. But the acceleration of death was significant.
My uncle died, three months after getting covid, of the effects of covid on his pre-existing degenerative lung condition, which would have eventually killed him anyway. But when he got covid he had been living with it for 10 years and was still very active, and had just retired, looking forward to at least a few good years. Thats exactly what the Italians are saying, and this acceleration of deaths is no reason to dismiss covid.
You can see this in the excess deaths over the covid period, that is the deaths above the normal trend. See link on the European analysis of excess mortality. Scroll down for country by country by week.
So why were you shooting Agent Orange in everyone’s arm?
That’s a hell of a recovery
And its not “stunning”.
The best argument here is that the vaccinations should have been limited to those likely to get a dangerous case of covid - that is, those with known comorbidities and everyone over, say, 50 years of age. Its imprudent bordering on the insanely fanatical to insist on jabbing healthy people under 40 and children.
In other words, if you take reasonable care of yourself, you have nothing to fear from this thing. But that doesn’t drive the fear, let the left take control and acquire power....
I posted the following on FR multiple times last year:
23 May 2020: UK Telegraph: Why have so many coronavirus patients died in Italy?
The country’s high death toll is due to an ageing population, overstretched health system and the way fatalities are reported
By Sarah Newey
According to Prof Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s minister of health, the country’s mortality rate is far higher due to demographics - the nation has the second oldest population worldwide - and the manner in which hospitals record deaths...
But Prof Ricciardi added that Italy’s death rate may also appear high because of how doctors record fatalities.
“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.
“On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity - many had two or three,” he says...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/
following links to report in English:
24 May 2020: Fort-Russ: Italy: Only 12% Of Covid19 Deaths Actually List Covid19 As Cause
Report shows up to 88% of Italy’s alleged Covid19 deaths could be misattributed
The way Italy registers deaths explains their increased coronavirus case/fatality ratio, according to one expert and a report from Italy’s National Institute of Health (ISS).
Citing this report (in English here LINK), Professor Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s minister of health said:
The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus […] On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity – many had two or three.”...
This has been reported widely, it was even in The Telegraph (LINK), and yet no one seems to be engaging with it...
https://fort-russ.com/2020/03/italy-only-12-of-covid19-deaths-actually-list-covid19-as-cause/
Ping
At what point is this criminal.
I’m an un-vaxxed general skeptic of most aspects of the covid-19 narrative, but this revisionism by the Italians seems pretty suspect. It’s a rare 70-something who doesn’t have some sort of health issue. If some elderly Italian was getting by relatively well with his or her diabetes/hypertension/COPD/whatever, and then they got covid and suddenly dropped dead, it’s pretty damned disingenuous to now NOT count that as a covid-19 death.
700,000 is really 21,000?
We have nearly 2 years of excess death statistics in the US. What do they say?
It's all a lie and phoney
(That’s a 97% decrease)
Oops!!!