For metastatic PC that is probably true.
The opposite is also true. Something like 80% of men eventually develop PC but they die of something else before it becomes an issue. It’s a strange disease, usually very slow. But for the other 20% it’s tough.
I’m 68 and have no health insurance (Only medicade A, which I have for free whether I want it or not). I’ve not had a checkup in 20 years. I put my faith in the great healer and take very seriously the apostle Paul’s words, “for me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.”
The Lord will take me at a time of his choosing and I will call it gain.
So, either I get Prostate cancer and die, or I die of something else of the Lord’s choosing.
My Best Childhood friend died of Prostate Cancer in November of 2020 at age 69 - his death certificate listed Covid as the cause of death.
The family argued, but the hospital would not change the Death Certificate.
My HMO on medicare seems to have me with a quack Dr.
I was told at age 65, last year, that the HMO wanted quarterly visits and blood work. Now, after refusing any covid vaccine he doesn’t want to see me for six months.
I think there are ‘markers’ in blood work as to prostate conditions, aka cancer. So not willing to do three month blood work anymore seems problematic and dangerous.
It’s like he doesn’t want unvaxxed patients in his office, but wants the $$$ from the govt each month.
Yet women get more money spent on breast cancer with tax payer money than men do for this type of cancer.
Take IP6, the unprofitable cancer cure and preventative.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9244360/
There’s nothing to be concerned about when getting examined. My doctor told me he’s giving me a DIGITAL examination. I didn’t want to go when they were doing the old fashioned glove and finger exam.
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I feel like this is going round in circles.
Stating METASTATIC Prostate cancer is DIFFERENT from just “prostate cancer”.
This seems to be conflating the 2 definitions. All metastatic PC is PC, but not all PC is metastatic.
So I’m confused how this “old adage” is really wrong?
22.2% with metastatic cancer of any kind not dying from it, I would think, is still a pretty good number.
Anyway I would think that people don't die from non metastatic cancer, they die from metastatic cancer.
So the question is how long on average does it take prostate cancer to go metastatic?
The answer to that is perhaps where the old saying comes from.
Later.
Yup. Am a stage 1 pc survivor. 6 years ago.
PSA check up once a year if 55ish or over. I get mine every 6 months because of my history.
“Guys, please get at least semi-regular check ups to nip this in the bud early. Symptoms do not generally show up until it’s too late.”
Well said. I keep track of my PSA and other measurements to see how they change over time or not.
Having worked as a medical provider - including some time as a urology specialist - I agree with this study. Most diagnoses of suspected prostate cancer result in specialized MRI’s and frequently a biopsy to characterize the cancer and see if it has metastasized. When that happens it gets ugly real fast. I recall one patent who went to the ER because he had pain in his forehead - not really a headache. His PSA was extremely high and further investigation revealed that his forehead pain was from bony metastases of a prostate tumor and he had other skeletal lesions as well. He died 3 weeks later. OTOH, most positive diagnoses result in years of monitoring and sometimes hormonal treatments. I am a firm believer in early detection and treatment if applicable. Some of the PC patients I have conferred with have tried fully natural treatment with mixed success (which is about the best you can expect with medical treatment). I read a study years ago where diagnostic autopsies were performed on men who had died in their 90’s of “natural causes”. None of them had been diagnosed with PC but they ALL had it. Its tough to be a man...
The only thing pols and the media care about are things that affect women.
As many of you here already know, the Great Frank Zappa died of prostate cancer in 1993. He was only 52 years old.
Frank would have loved the internet. He was very bright and would have quickly mastered the digits and widgits.
Get your PSA checked.
Went to have my first one. Never again. They couldn’t finish it. Plus, they didn’t give me enough stuff to put me out. I told them when you come up with a better way, let me know
This is nothing new. It’s long been known that prostate cancer is far more deadly when it spreads to other organs.
• Prostate cancer screening with PSA testing is not recommended, although certain groups of men are more likely to undergo testing, according to a review (BMJ. 2018;published online Sept. 5). They looked at five randomized trials with 721,718 men to examine the efficacy and safety of PSA testing for prostate cancer screening. The researchers found that screening probably has no impact on all-cause mortality (incidence rate ratio [IRR], 0.99; 95 percent confidence interval, 0.98 to 1.01) and may have no effect on prostate-specific mortality (IRR, 0.96; 95 percent confidence interval, 0.85 to 1.08). Most men are expected to decline screening due to the small and uncertain benefit, and clear harms. However, the likelihood of choosing screening is increased among men with a family history of prostate cancer, of African descent or of low socioeconomic status, and with higher baseline risk of prostate cancer death. For men considering screening, shared decision-making is needed. “Conversations with patients requesting a PSA test should explore their reasons for requesting a test and include evidence-based discussions about possible harms and benefits of PSA testing” write the authors of an accompanying editorial.
The US Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) recommends against routine PSA–based prostate cancer screening for healthy men, regardless of age (Ann Intern Med. Published online May 22, 2012).....”there is moderate certainty that the benefits of PSA-based screening for prostate cancer do not outweigh the harms.” .....For men under the age of 75, the USPSTF previously graded the screening as a “C,” which meant there is at least moderate certainty that the overall net benefit of screening is small......”The D rating says ‘Don’t do it. Don’t even have a discussion with the patient.” .......the scientist who discovered the original PSA, Richard Ablin, PhD, from the University of Arizona College of Medicine in Tucson, told Medscape Medical News that he was “elated.” Dr. Ablin has long argued that the PSA test should not be used for routine screening of healthy men because it is not specific for prostate cancer. He also famously described the testing as a “public health disaster.”