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Why experts say monoclonal antibodies aren't vaccine substitute
ABC ^ | 17 October 2021 | Dr. Jess Dawson

Posted on 10/18/2021 1:05:11 AM PDT by blueplum

...Currently, over 1 million doses of monoclonal antibody infusions have been given in the United States. Use of monoclonal antibodies gained steam during the delta variant surge over the summer when Florida and other states opened clinics to administer the drugs in an attempt to keep sick people out of overwhelmed hospitals.

Monoclonal antibodies have been authorized for post-exposure prophylaxis, meaning they are used shortly after someone tests positive in order to prevent progression to severe disease. The antibodies range in effectiveness depending on type, but some have been shown in to reduce COVID-related hospitalization or death by up to 85%....

...The data supporting these antibodies is much more limited than the extensive data supporting currently approved and authorized vaccines....

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: anthonyfauci; ccpvirus; chinavirus; coronavirus; covid; covidstooges; monoclonalantibodies; monoclonalantibody; monoclonals
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I would aruge against the premise of this article that there's not enough data to support monoclonal use as an alternative to vaccination, in that, if 1 million rounds of monoclonals have been dispensed, there should be more than enough data on efficacy, and on side effects/adverse events. There's obviously recordkeeping of who received infusions. And there would be hospital records of those who were still hospitalized after getting an infusion.

It would be nice to see that data. But I'm still think monoclonals are the way to go for those who have tested positive and then developed worsening symptoms mostly because we don't hear about any adverse events.

1 posted on 10/18/2021 1:05:11 AM PDT by blueplum
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Monoclonals have no where near the record of death and debility Covid 'vaccines' have. There's no comparison - the long term effects of the Covid 'vaccine' are only a problem for those who survive the short term effects. :/


2 posted on 10/18/2021 1:13:01 AM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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Monoclonal Antibodies are Not meant to be a vaccine, but a therapeutic. I took it about 4 days after a verified covid test and felt better the next day and was well in a couple more.

You have to take the infusion within 10 days of a positive test. I should have antibodies enough to get by at least for 6 more months. It is not a vaccine though. It doesn't have all that crap in it from the vaccine. If we have monoclonal antibodies, Ivermectin, and hydroxycloriquin, IMO, we have enough to get by without the vaccine. India and a couple other places have killed covid in their countries by Ivermectin alone.

3 posted on 10/18/2021 1:20:34 AM PDT by chuckles
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Wow. The misinformation and outright lies in this article are extensive. Anyone wanna count them up?


4 posted on 10/18/2021 1:24:07 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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there's that red chart with the toggle switch in the wrong place again :)

CDC says 8,638 unconfirmed reports, but, have you noticed that the reports of death have stalled out? Considering most vaccines were given after May 2021, one would think the number would have skyrocketed by now. But it hasn't.....just a curiosity of mine.

"from December 14, 2020, through October 6, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 8,638 reports of death (0.0021%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. "

5 posted on 10/18/2021 1:27:13 AM PDT by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017) )
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sure, I agree completely they’re a therapeutic but for those who are vaccine hesitant or who can’t take vaccines for some medical reason, people should have that choice, at least onesies, anyway.


6 posted on 10/18/2021 1:36:57 AM PDT by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017) )
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there’s that red chart with the toggle switch in the wrong place again :)
CDC says 8,638 unconfirmed reports, but, have you noticed that the reports of death have stalled out? Considering most vaccines were given after May 2021, one would think the number would have skyrocketed by now. But it hasn’t.....just a curiosity of mine.
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The CDC began throttling reports of death around January 20th. Since then there has been a whistleblower lawsuit which has identified where the CDC is hiding some of the deaths. A government worker said she saw 45 thousand post covid vax deaths (within 3 days of vax) sitting in the CMS database unreported. Thats just a drop in the bucket - the CDC is not sharing their V-Safe data, and there’s 11 other databases.

Karl Denninger does Market-ticker.com. He watches population stats, and has done so, for many many years. He knows where to get the unfiltered stats. “Somehow” 1.2 million adults are missing from the job market. The only way is death or instituationalization. Well, they weren’t institutionalized.

If a large part or all of the 1.2 million missing adults of employment age are in fact dead, and a large portion of them following the Covid ‘vaccine’ (bioweapon), then the VAERS modeling would make sense. The CDC started witholding adverse events for Covid starting Janary -February and most records updated after that time were OLDER - that is from December and January. See, that makes it worse - it means that basically the deaths we are aware of really are a drop in the bucket.

This matches whistleblower testimony - e.g., those nurses saying that 2020 ‘business’ in the hospitals was flat but in 2021 business picked up with vaccine injuries.

It also matches the testiomny of funeral directors. They said business was flat/slow in 2020 but reall picked up and is now booming after the introduction of the vax. They are sharing stories about the unusuall appearance that post vax deaths gives the bodies, and how to conceal it (pettichae , etc).

There sure are a lot of deaths following ‘vaccination’ out there.
Even if your tiny little 8 thousand number had been remotely close, it’s thousands of times larger (death alone mind you) than monoclonal adverse events. Then add in strokes, neurological damage, throbosis, heart attacks etc.

The Covid ‘vaccines’ are a bioweapon doing extensive, long lasting harm that’s getting harder for the weaponized CDC to hide. Monoclonals are not capable of causing the death and disability of the fake Covid ‘vaccines’.


7 posted on 10/18/2021 1:37:20 AM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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Bro....

Voodoo, bleeding, and leeches are a vaccine substitute at this point.


8 posted on 10/18/2021 1:39:39 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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9 posted on 10/18/2021 1:40:04 AM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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—Somehow” 1.2 million adults are missing from the job market.

I’d say that’s about equal to the number of women who said, hubby, I like staying home, so surprise! :)

I won’t argue that in many areas of the country in 2020, ‘business Was slow’. But that doesn’t mean it was slow everywhere.

Back in April, May, spread was just beginning. A quick look at D.C. May 31 2020 showed 8800 cases, 2 deaths for the day and about 470 total deaths. Chicago had 1700 deaths total and the US had a million cases and 89K deaths total by May 17 2020. California, which skated for a while, had over 2 million cases by Dec 31 with over 22K hospitalized. The ICU capacity in SoCal was zero and 14% in Sacramento. Stay at home orders were in place. But life was normal in many states outside of California.

Delta got imported about April-ish 2021 (oklahoma male) and started kicking everyone’s immune system in the rear. May saw Calif with the fewest ICU patients (1600) since Mar 2020, but by June, with a vaccination rollout rate around 20%, it was back to the grind fighting Delta this time.

So, no doubt some morticians didn’t seen business, but in other areas of the country, refrigerated trailers held bodies for more than a month, with coroners too backed up to process the inflow and funerals banned.

https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/sites/covid-19/home/latest-data/2020-05-17.html
https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/OPA/Pages/NR20-354.aspx
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-05-05/california-covid-19-hospitalizations-hit-promising-new-low

finally, with monoclonals there are potential adverse reactions/events, at least there are warnings for those that are used in cancer treatment, so I’d imagine it would be the same same with Regeneron et al. But that’s why we need that data.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/what-is-monoclonal-antibody-therapy-796873#:~:text=More%20serious%20side%20effects%20that%20may%20cause%20your,to%20infections%205%20Bleeding%20problems%20More%20items...%20


10 posted on 10/18/2021 2:18:02 AM PDT by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017) )
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The article itself did offer the 85% number, for the reduction of hospitalization and death, so there clearly has been some data collection.

Also, these antibody treatments had to have trials to support their Emergency Use Authorizations, just like the vaccines, or any other drug.

The doctors that have posted about it on Free Republic (that I have seen), have been very positive about it - with one important caveat (also raised in the article). There are different types of antibody infusions for COVID, and they not equally safe or effective. That being said, the results are usually profoundly positive, if given early enough (before you need oxygen).

Anecdotally, my good friend who got hit hard with COVID plus pneumonia, reported that the antibody infusion (Regeneron) had him feeling noticeably better in just a few hours, and his fever broke overnight. President Trump and Rudy Giuliani experienced similar results.


11 posted on 10/18/2021 3:25:32 AM PDT by BeauBo
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12 posted on 10/18/2021 3:40:32 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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I don’t know if it’s the antibodies, but Florida’s daily average deaths due to the virus is now down to 8 people. Texas, which has a somewhat higher virus rate, but still low (finally), still has an average of 200 people a day dying.

Florida took the lead with the antibodies - maybe this is the result...don’t know, since Florida’s death rate is so low now that it may make DeSantis look good, and so the media is keeping silent on it.


13 posted on 10/18/2021 3:44:47 AM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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The article itself did offer the 85% number, for the reduction of hospitalization and death, so there clearly has been some data collection.

#BobosTravellingCircus

14 posted on 10/18/2021 3:51:48 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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15 posted on 10/18/2021 4:16:18 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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16 posted on 10/18/2021 4:23:16 AM PDT by PMAS (Vote with your wallets, there are 80 million of us - No China made, No Amazon)
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No, they’re a vaccine REPLACEMENT


17 posted on 10/18/2021 5:13:22 AM PDT by struggle
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I got the MAB infusion in the ER when I was in a very bad way. It works. Not taking any of the vaxes.


18 posted on 10/18/2021 5:16:59 AM PDT by Noumenon (Black flag American here. KTF)
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This is a tour d’force of maybes, ifs and allegations that uses one theoretical allegation to build on the next. Mind you there is no meaningful data in your claim or any claim. There are unsubstantiated allegations. I am my colleagues have seen no vaccine injuries hospitalized. There is no massive uptick in unexplained deaths. If the roughly 355 million doses of vaccination used were producing even a fraction of that which you claim it would be overwhelmingly evident. Where are the bodies?

And in you snd your followers chronic posting of every breathless and unsubstantiated claim as gospel fact, it is becoming nothing more than irrelevant noise.

The plain fact is you want people to believe penumbras and shadows as gospel truth while attempting to deny the obvious. It has and is failing as the chronic drumbeat is gathering little movement.

Your numbers are grossly inflated on logic that is faulty. You have no data. Just rantings of those with an agenda and yet you post it as if it were gospel fact. You have selected what conclusion you want and are working back from that conclusion trying to force things to for your narrative. It’s why there is zero clear evidence supporting your beliefs. It is also why I’m order for you to to be correct. That all but the dirty dozen of physicians who you regularly quote would have to be in on some conspiracy. Every physician including my colleagues on free republic would have to be coordinating our stories and lying. But all you and your group have is that we are lying and other people have said….
Well if you believe some whistleblower with no direct clinical presence you must lend equal weight to those of us who are dismissed as anonymous physicians who are probably lying

Your story has more wholes than Swiss cheese. You just are blinded by your agenda to see it.


19 posted on 10/18/2021 5:37:57 AM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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Bookmark


20 posted on 10/18/2021 5:54:43 AM PDT by Glinda Whatsit
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