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To: woodpusher; BroJoeK
The war ended with slavery still lawful in several northern states. The fully taken abolition of slavery in the United States was a step not taken until adoption of the 13th Amendment.

And the manner in which that was done was a farce. All the people in the conquered states were not allowed to vote. This was a denial of the rights of the people and the 13th amendment was rubber stamped by a puppet "Vichy" government.

No amendment should have been possible until the normal civil order was restored, and I am quite confident that if the actual will of the people was made manifest, the 13th amendment would never have passed.

108 posted on 10/04/2021 8:13:36 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to<i> no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; woodpusher; jmacusa
DL quoting woodpusher: "The war ended with slavery still lawful in several northern states. "

Noooo, by April, 1865, only two Union states had not passed abolition laws: Kentucky & Delaware.
Kentucky reported ~225,000 slaves in the 1860 census (yes, I looked it up), of whom it's estimated around 40,000 remained to be freed by the 1865 13th Amendment.
The rest had been freed, or freed themselves and 24,000 had served in the Union Army.
Delaware's slave population had been falling for decades and in 1860 was reported as ~1,800 of whom ~1,000 remained in 1865 to be freed by the 13th Amendment.

So here are the key dates in US abolition laws:

  1. Slavery in Washington, DC, was abolished by law on April 16, 1862.

  2. Every Union territory was covered by the June 19, 1862 Abolition in Territories Law.

  3. Confederate states were emancipated by Lincoln's 1863 proclamation:
      "...all persons held as slaves within any State, or designated part of a State...the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free..."

  4. Union slave-states of Missouri, Maryland and West Virginia passed their own abolition laws in 1864 and early 1865.
Bottom Line: "The [13th] amendment was ratified by the legislatures of enough states by December 6, 1865, and proclaimed 12 days later.
There were approximately 40,000 slaves in Kentucky and 1,000 in Delaware who were liberated then.[28]"

DiogenesLamp: "And the manner in which that was done was a farce.
All the people in the conquered states were not allowed to vote. "

All the people in the conquered states who declared allegiance to the United States, including some former slaves, were allowed to vote.
Confederates, having declared themselves non-citizens, were temporarily disenfranchised.

DiogenesLamp: "No amendment should have been possible until the normal civil order was restored, and I am quite confident that if the actual will of the people was made manifest, the 13th amendment would never have passed."

Normal civil order was restored when Confederates surrendered, primarily in April 1865.
Those loyal to the Union did vote to ratify the 13th Amendment.
After the disputed 1876 election, former Confederates returned to political power and effectively nullified the 13th, 14th & 15th Amendments for most of the next 100 years.

But, slowly, times do change and even Mississippi's 1865 rejection of the 13th Amendment was reversed in 1995, Mississippi's ratification confirmed in 2013.

109 posted on 10/05/2021 5:36:21 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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