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To: Ymani Cricket
 Ymani Cricket wrote:
There’ve been two researchers so far, (Dr. flemming was one) who said that people who are vaccinated develop antibodies to the nucleocapsid. Flemming: “If the ‘vaccine’ doesn’t include the nucleocapsid, then why do vaccinated people develop antibodies to the nucleocapsid?”

What is the answer and context?

CLICK TO SKIP MY LONG ANSWER

Fauci's branch of the NIH worked with Moderna and Pfizer (don't know if J&J too) to 'select' the mRNA (code for a specific spike protien), presumably from China's released Covid genome (Jan 10,2020) to put in the vaccines.

PR said at the time that the mRNA code for a spike protein from Covid would be selected which would be harmless in the absence of the Covid virus.  The vaccine mRNA coding would tell the vaccinated cells to produce the same spike as the Covid illness, and the body would produce the same antibodies as one receiving the natural infection.

That wasn't true of course, because neither the Chinese nor the pharmas used isolated samples of Covid to produce 'vaccines'. The Chinese could not have really released the true genome for Covid - they stated they did not have any isolated samples of the Covid virus, but instead used 'gene sequencing.' Okay, gene sequencing....compared to what? You don't have a sample of the original but somehow you made an identical clone of it?

Okay, Okay, I'm sure a Gates or Fauci paid organization claims they have the actual virus, but I believe those, including Dr. Judy Mikovits who says whenever she reads a paper by someone who has claimed to isolate Covid, they don't have it. They have viral samples in monkey vero kidney cells, they have a mixure taken from a lung wash (not isolated) so objectively they can't say they correctly identified something in the mixture as Covid.

SO the trolls scream everybody has isolated samples of Covid everyday, in every lab, and always has, but it's not true.

The plandemic was awarded that 'scary title' because CDC/Fauci/WHO said Covid was a 'novel virus' which means none of us had ever encountered it before, so no one would have immunity (like a zero day computer virus). That's obviously not true, many have demonstrated good immunity to it. Many of us had immunity following infections from similar coronaviruses.

So Covid isn't 'novel', but the Chinese et. al. said it was from the start. Well then, how could they use gene sequencing to get the Covid genome? Gene sequencing draws from a libary of known  coronaviruses, pieces of which are used to patch in portions of the Covid genome. SO how can you create a 'novel' virus genome using pieces of other known coronavirus genomes? You can't.

Early on, there was a social media account that was archived prior to being censored which stated that a man had died following vaccination, but his doctor said the antibodies in his bodies post 'vaccine' were not the same as the natural antibodies from Covid. I looked up the decased by name, and references to his death were purged or rewritten, as if someone went after them to deny that, delete that.

At that time - 'the narrative' spin was that the 'spikes' were exactly the same, so the vaccinated could reap the anti-body development to counter Covid without ever experiencing the harmful effects of this false 'novel' virus to which we supposedly don't have any natural immunity.

White hat scientists are probably not allowed to experiment on a patented technology like mRNA vaccines, but they did somehow have access to the the Covid spike proteins (possibly from a vaccinated person? Or just the sequence Fauci's NIH selected to put in vaccines?). SO they used a 'dummy virus' (harmless, virus in name only) and attached vaccine spike proteins to it and tested it, and discovered that the spike proteins alone (ignore the harmless test virus) were responsible for the damage previously attributed to Covid their own right. Specifically, the nuclear capsid of the spike protein was deemed very toxic.

Anger and tantrums ensued - with the CDC, NIH aghast at the 'misinformation' they claimed maligned their life saving products. They clarified that the 'vaccine' includes the idencial spike protein except the nucleocapsid. This has been a point of contention ever since. Researchers saying, "well if you didn't include the toxic nucleocapsid in the vaccine, then the vaccinated did not have a chance to develop antibodies to the most toxic part of getting Covid.' THe elites were indignant, screamed at those they deem their inferrors,  'Liar!" before running to their bedroom, and slamming  the door...twice.

Dr. Flemming held up what he claimed was research proving that those subjected to the Covid 'vaccine' do indeed develop antibodies to the nuclear capsid, and asks pharma to explain how that could possibly happen if the capsid is genuinely not present in the vaccine. So clearly he believes they lied on the fly when researchers came up with the brilliant idea  of just attaching spike proteins to a dummy virus and recording what happened.

I think one of the answers Fauci/Pharma flung, at people outside the regime, was something to the effect that those who lack the qualifications and lab access to the actual work are spreading dangerous misinformation through ignorance.

I don't see how pharma/fauci could talk their way out of that scandal -  if they did include a toxic nucleocapsid in the vaccine, they injected people with the damaging part of Covid. If they didn't inject people with the toxic nucleocapsid, the 'vaccinated' would not be expected to develop antibodies to the most damaging part of a supposedly 'novel" virus nucleocapsid.

While I don't know what the answer is, and the answer could have changed over time, wth changes in the 'vaccine' formula, reset assured that CDC/NIH/pharma continue to conduct assaults on public heatlh and lie about it.

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1,426 posted on 09/17/2021 2:39:43 AM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: ransomnote
Let me see if I follow that. In a nutshell, to make it simple for everyone, in layman's terms (mostly) it seems you are saying that the nucleocapsid actually is indeed in the "vaccines" but it is not a good thing because they are toxic. And the Fauci's of the world are lying and saying there is no nucleocapsid. Having antibodies to the nucleocapsid would be a good thing though right? Because then you have whole virus immunity.

So by this, wouldn't it stand to reason that if the "vaccine" toxicity, (caused by the nucleocapsid {the body of the virus}) didn't kill you from the vaccine then you would have good immunity? In fact, better immunity than natural? ((providing you didn't die))

I'm not saying I agree with that, I'm just saying that seems to be the logical conclusion. Developing natural immunity to a virus that was potentially/allegedly synthetically made is amazing - but is it reality?.

And it was Prof Dr. Luc Montagnier that said there were inserts in the sequence (the sequence provided by China) and that the unnatural would seek to go back to nature thus causing the virus to slowly evolve into losing its lethality. Nature does not accept the unnatural and the synthetic can not stand as it interacts with the natural (human or animal host etc.)

So it also stand to reason, based on what Montagnier said, that the vaccines, if made to combat a synthetic virus that has now become a more natural virus as it returns to its original state, is going to become less and less effective as it combats a viruses that has mutated out of existence and back to a natural state (like the common cold). So even if the "vaccines" (mRNA) had nucleocapsids included in them, they will be useless against a degraded virus and only cause problems. It is a lose lose situation no matter if there is or isn't a nucleocapsid.

Even if the sequence codes we were given were correct of an actual virus, this applies. Does that make sense?

In addition, based on paragraph 4 above and the natural devolution of synthetic, the concept of transhumanism is also doomed to filure. And though it may be pawned off by the evil one as a way to make humans live indefinitely, well, what could go wrong? Everything. Only the true creator can make something perfect. Everything else is a manipulation or deviation of nature.

1,430 posted on 09/17/2021 3:12:57 AM PDT by Ymani Cricket ( "Pressure Makes Diamonds" ~General Patton)
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To: ransomnote

I think this may be the social media account you mentioned:

Memphis doctor believed to have died of rare COVID related syndrome
The Centers for Disease Control is investigating Dr. Barton Williams’ death.

Author: Jeni Diprizio
Published: 5:05 PM CST February 10, 2021
Updated: 6:24 PM CST February 11, 2021

MEMPHIS, Tenn. — A 36 year-old Memphis doctor is believed to have died from a rare COVID related syndrome.

The Centers for Disease Control is investigating if Dr. Barton Williams, an orthopedic doctor, died from Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome.

MIS-C is rare in children who’ve had COVID-19. MIS-A even more uncommon in adults.

Threlkeld added, Williams also had been vaccinated for COVID about a month ago and that testing found the two types of antibodies in his system - one type of antibody that results from a natural COVID infection, and a second type of antibody from the vaccine. Threlkeld also said Williams tested negative for COVID-19 while in the hospital.

https://www.localmemphis.com/article/news/investigations/i-team/memphis-doctor-believed-to-have-died-of-rare-covid-related-syndrome/522-7bb29487-c330-4de4-b1b0-188fe3865e35


1,432 posted on 09/17/2021 3:21:57 AM PDT by greeneyes ( Moderation In Pursuit of Justice is NO Virtue--LET FREEDOM RING)
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To: ransomnote

Additional thoughts:

IIRC, there are some studies that show that the spike by itself is toxic.

The Jan. 2021 study printed in Nature Immunology has information on the spike and natural immunity/nucleocapsid:

As for the nucleocapsid portion,-it is the part that is responsible for replication; if it is targeted, and the cell containing it is destroyed then viral replication is prevented even though penetration of the cell has occurred.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-020-00808-x.pdf

T cell immunity is central for the control of viral infections. To characterize T cell immunity, but also for the development of vaccines, identification of exact viral T cell epitopes is fundamental.

“Here we identify and characterize multiple dominant and subdominant SARS-CoV-2 HLA class I and HLA-DR peptides as potential T cell epitopes in COVID-19 convalescent and unexposed individuals. SARS-CoV-2-specific peptides enabled detection of post-infectious T cell immunity, even in seronegative convalescent individuals.

Cross-reactive SARS-CoV-2 peptides revealed pre-existing T cell responses in 81% of unexposed individuals and validated similarity with common cold coronaviruses, providing a functional basis for heterologous immunity in SARS-CoV-2 infection.

Diversity of SARS-CoV-2 T cell responses was associated with mild symptoms of COVID-19, providing evidence that immunity requires recognition of multiple epitopes.

Together, the proposed SARS-CoV-2 T cell epitopes enable identification of heterologous and post-infectious T cell immunity and facilitate development of diagnostic, preventive and therapeutic measures for COVID-19.”

Note:
a panel of 120 peptides that comprised roughly 10% of the entire virus, containing 57% of the nucleocapsid and 1% of spike proteins was isolated for this study.

It seems to me that a huge portion of the population already has the nucleocapsid portions, so their presence doesn’t necessarily mean that the Clot Shot is generating them.

And in fact if they truly only used one of the spikes, there would indeed be no way the Clot Shot would be generating the nucleocapsid portion, which is why it’s pretty useless as far as durable immunity is concerned.

Antibodies wane shortly, it is the rest that is needed long term, and the spike by itself ain’t gonna do that.

In addition the ratio of the binding to the neutralizing antibodies shows that the binding antibodies are more numerous. It is my understanding when the antibodies wane, that binding portion that’s left causes problems which makes the infection worse.


1,437 posted on 09/17/2021 3:47:05 AM PDT by greeneyes ( Moderation In Pursuit of Justice is NO Virtue--LET FREEDOM RING)
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To: ransomnote; Ymani Cricket

So, initially the shots had just the spike inducing/combatting feature in them, then as time went on, the shot manufacturers had added to them the nucleocapsid inducing/combatting feature.

Need some whistleblowers from the manufacturers to get whatever info they can get, to O’Keeffe Project Veritas.


1,457 posted on 09/17/2021 4:27:18 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000) )
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