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To: ransomnote
Let me see if I follow that. In a nutshell, to make it simple for everyone, in layman's terms (mostly) it seems you are saying that the nucleocapsid actually is indeed in the "vaccines" but it is not a good thing because they are toxic. And the Fauci's of the world are lying and saying there is no nucleocapsid. Having antibodies to the nucleocapsid would be a good thing though right? Because then you have whole virus immunity.

So by this, wouldn't it stand to reason that if the "vaccine" toxicity, (caused by the nucleocapsid {the body of the virus}) didn't kill you from the vaccine then you would have good immunity? In fact, better immunity than natural? ((providing you didn't die))

I'm not saying I agree with that, I'm just saying that seems to be the logical conclusion. Developing natural immunity to a virus that was potentially/allegedly synthetically made is amazing - but is it reality?.

And it was Prof Dr. Luc Montagnier that said there were inserts in the sequence (the sequence provided by China) and that the unnatural would seek to go back to nature thus causing the virus to slowly evolve into losing its lethality. Nature does not accept the unnatural and the synthetic can not stand as it interacts with the natural (human or animal host etc.)

So it also stand to reason, based on what Montagnier said, that the vaccines, if made to combat a synthetic virus that has now become a more natural virus as it returns to its original state, is going to become less and less effective as it combats a viruses that has mutated out of existence and back to a natural state (like the common cold). So even if the "vaccines" (mRNA) had nucleocapsids included in them, they will be useless against a degraded virus and only cause problems. It is a lose lose situation no matter if there is or isn't a nucleocapsid.

Even if the sequence codes we were given were correct of an actual virus, this applies. Does that make sense?

In addition, based on paragraph 4 above and the natural devolution of synthetic, the concept of transhumanism is also doomed to filure. And though it may be pawned off by the evil one as a way to make humans live indefinitely, well, what could go wrong? Everything. Only the true creator can make something perfect. Everything else is a manipulation or deviation of nature.

1,430 posted on 09/17/2021 3:12:57 AM PDT by Ymani Cricket ( "Pressure Makes Diamonds" ~General Patton)
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To: Ymani Cricket

Spike by itself is practically worthless. There is very strong evidence that it is the nucleocapsid reactivity that provides effective resistance to serious disease. The existing “vaccines” do not and cannot provide this since they encode only the spike.

81% of the population already has varying degrees of this resistance— based on what I recall from the study linked here:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3994658/posts?page=1437#1437


1,445 posted on 09/17/2021 4:08:25 AM PDT by greeneyes ( Moderation In Pursuit of Justice is NO Virtue--LET FREEDOM RING)
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To: Ymani Cricket
Click to skip discussion of Nucleocapsid.
Ymani Cricket wrote:

Let me see if I follow that. In a nutshell, to make it simple for everyone, in layman's terms (mostly) it seems you are saying that the nucleocapsid actually is indeed in the "vaccines" but it is not a good thing because they are toxic. And the Fauci's of the world are lying and saying there is no nucleocapsid. Having antibodies to the nucleocapsid would be a good thing though right? Because then you have whole virus immunity.

ransomnote: I'm replying to these posts out of order so at this point I know greeneyes suggested to you that people may have had antibodies to the nucleocapsid by having been exposed to prior coronaviruses. So either her suggestion, or your comment that Fauci is lying (again) is plausible.

So by this, wouldn't it stand to reason that if the "vaccine" toxicity, (caused by the nucleocapsid {the body of the virus}) didn't kill you from the vaccine then you would have good immunity? In fact, better immunity than natural? ((providing you didn't die))

The nucleocapsid is part of the spike proteins. Fauci claims their vax mRNA was coded to tell the body cells to create a spike protein without the nucleocapsid, but for some reason the vaccinated have antibodies to the nucleocapsid.

I'm not saying I agree with that, I'm just saying that seems to be the logical conclusion. Developing natural immunity to a virus that was potentially/allegedly synthetically made is amazing - but is it reality?

THere's never been a vax for coronaviruses, and there's an expert with a lecture (or two) about why there never will be. He was convincing. I don't know if it's a reality - but the Fauci team definitely went about it wrong. They've tried this tactic for decades and it never worked. :(

And it was Prof Dr. Luc Montagnier that said there were inserts in the sequence (the sequence provided by China) and that the unnatural would seek to go back to nature thus causing the virus to slowly evolve into losing its lethality. Nature does not accept the unnatural and the synthetic can not stand as it interacts with the natural (human or animal host etc.)

He and others have said the normal progression for viruses like Corona is to fade in virulence. I hadn't heard Montagnier made that point about synthesized viruses, but it does make logical sense (essentially biological entropy). Assertions by Fauci/CDC/WHO that varients are getting worse are unnatural and against common knowledge among virologists. Some prhase it as 'burn out'. 

So it also stand to reason, based on what Montagnier said, that the vaccines, if made to combat a synthetic virus that has now become a more natural virus as it returns to its original state, is going to become less and less effective as it combats a viruses that has mutated out of existence and back to a natural state (like the common cold).

For those who believe the toxic behaviors of what is known as Covid is caused only by a synthetic virus from China, the virus would ordinarily return to its original or less organized/weaker state if left alone. But Vanden Bossche and some others are saying we did something one is never supposed to do - we vaccinated at the peak of a pandemic. This is contrary to virologists' basic tenets. "Let it burn out" is supposed to be the best path. Then later, when it is not prevalent in the population phase in vaccines if you want.

By 'vaccinating' people, if there was a match between what they have and what they were vaccinated against (we don't know if there is a match), the the Covid virus that should have faded away will now be subject to selective pressure and basically under intense vaccination pressure, only the strong mutations of the virus survive. We're basically treating individuals like petri dishes that can result in battle hardened ('biologically selected') versions  which can show up in the blind spot(s) of the vaccinated and their immune systems will not recognize or fight them. This is immune escape.

I don't know what happens if the 'vaccine' is for something other than what they are calling a covid virus (China's genome was not correct. The vaccine need not match it. But China wouldn't miss a chance to inject other things...nanobots, smart dust, GO, othe viruses.) With all of the world as their petri dish, additional studies and research can be done just by flagging vias of "covid vaccines' filled with other experimental substances or toxins and tracking what happened to the recipients. The Chinese and other biolabs have a limitless supply of test bunnies and no accountability.

Regarldless - vaccinating during the height of contagion is supposed to increase the survival rate of more virulant versions which can be much worse. The CDC/NIH must know this - what with their claims of knowing things about infectious diseases. The natural path of trating sick people and letting the flu run it's course would have been far better, according to those like Vanden Bossche.

If Graphene Oxide is in play, they'll just inject more with each booster and more will die and falsely be attributed to a Delta Variant (recalll the nurse who said the Delta variant is actually those injured from 'vaccinations, not standard infection?) 

So even if the "vaccines" (mRNA) had nucleocapsids included in them, they will be useless against a degraded virus and only cause problems. It is a lose lose situation no matter if there is or isn't a nucleocapsid.

They seem to be admitting that the efficacy of the 'vaccines' are dropping like a rock, however I don't believe the vaccines ever had any efficacy. For example, Doshi caught Pfizer hiding raw data and ignoring thousands of sick people who tested negative using a fake PCR test that can't identify disease. By terming these sick people 'suspected Covid', and NOT COUNTING THEM AT ALL in their statistics, Pfizer was able to falsely claim a 95% efficacy rate.

Had Pfizer counted those sick people as sick people post 'vaccine' (and post placebo group), the two month trial would have shown the 'vaccine' had a 19% efficacy rate. Then as the months passed, as they have outside the trials, and the vaccinated got sick, that 19% efficacy rate would go away.

It's really ALL fake. You can't have a trial with a fake test to calibrate results. You can't ignore thousands of sick people and 'run the numbers' based only on the less than 200 trial participatnts (combined vaccinated and unvaccinated) that supposedly tested positive on the the PCR). None of the Covid vaccine trials reported the rates of illnesses and harm during the trials that the public experienced - all lies. Bioweaponized lying.

This of course was fake data - you cannot 'rely' on a random fake test like the PCR to just happen to line up right to give your bioweapon 95% efficacy against a virus it can't recognize.

Even if the sequence codes we were given were correct of an actual virus, this applies. Does that make sense?

Yes. There was never a chance the vaccines would work either with or without a nucleocapsid, for the reasons you state. There are additiona reasons why they never were intended to work, or going to work. Their only uses are all negative - exerting intense vaccination pressure during a pandemic (doesn't matter what illnesses) to create a more virulent strain(s) that can evade the immune system sof the vaccinated later, known risks of ADE, increasing risk with each vaccination, - there's no angle that 'works, starting with the fact that the PCR and vaccines are not based on an actual viral sample of Covid.

In addition, based on paragraph 4 above and the natural devolution of synthetic, the concept of transhumanism is also doomed to filure. And though it may be pawned off by the evil one as a way to make humans live indefinitely, well, what could go wrong? Everything. Only the true creator can make something perfect. Everything else is a manipulation or deviation of nature.

Amen, Ymani. They corrupt and destroy everything they touch. Only the God of Heaven is capabile of good work when it comes to crafting people, and providing them with Christ to secure their future in Heaven.  

 

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1,501 posted on 09/17/2021 7:53:37 AM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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