Posted on 08/14/2021 12:30:23 AM PDT by ransomnote
In the Days of Covid, maybe some family members need to identify other family members as having medical power of attorney.
I agree with those who warn those ill with Covid to try to stay out of the hospital (e.g., Dr. Zelenko). The CDC's protocol drives treatment, often over the objections of family members.
In a recent video, Kate Dalley recounted her and her husband's personal decisions to decline a ventilator and instead insist on specific treatments recommended by Amercia's Frontline Doctors when her husband became ill.
I'll post the FR thread to Kate Dalley's story below, not as a recommendation that all should mimic her personal decisions, but to explore what kinds of decisions you may be called upon to make, how diligent you may need to be, what limitations you might encounter, and some strategies you may want to consider.
When she explained they wanted to wave the hospital's recommended ventilator and use other treatments instead, doctors told her she could not make that decision for her husband. She knew that she and her husband agreed with her request. Had he been too sick to state his preference, it may have been impossible to get the treatments America's Frontline Doctors recommended he have, because she could be barred from visiting him, and if he was unresponsive, then the hospital could use 'CDC guidelines" which they specifically wanted to avoid.
Others on FR have told cautionary tales about hospitalization for Covid. Family members can be barred from visiting the patient at all (isolation) and therefore cannot monitor or participate in requiring appropriate treatment. The 'contagious' patient may not allowed to leave medical isolation, creating what some describe as the conditions of 'medical kidnap.'
I'm wondering if some family members might benefit from assigning medical power of attorney to others in their family in hopes that this will allow family to direct the medical protocol they want used for Covid. It's no doubt a complicated decision and won't work for some, but perhaps others would have an easier time directing desired treatment in the event that a family member should become ill enough to require high-flow oxygen or other intervention only available in a hospital.
In Kate Dalley's story linked above, I read that if you have trouble getting a hospitalized family member the treatment they need for Covid, you can explain that if they can't get the treatment you want for them in the hospital, you will take them to hospice. I wondered what that meant and tonight I think I found a possible answer on another thread:
My hospice nurse friends explained that once a person goes into hospice, all med equipment and meds are available..whatever the patient wants or needs.
We found this to be true with my Dad. Toward the end of his life he struggled to breathe, and had pulse ox readings in the 80s. They would send him thru ER, admit him, patch him back up to where his readings were “acceptable” and send him home. He “did not qualify” for home oxygen. He would end up back in the ER two days later going thru the same process (Hours in the ER, test for Covid, same labs run two days prior, admit..send home.) It was infuriating
When we brought him home to hospice care, the 02 generator was delivered before the transport even got him home.
Read later.
Thanks, ransomnote
>> I agree with those who warn those ill with Covid to try to stay out of the hospital
To be clear, ransomnote is not providing medical advice.
Thank you Gene. Correct. I have no medical training, I simply have a citizen’s opinion.
13 Aug: Bitchute: 16min: HAWAII ATTORNEY MICHAEL GREEN FILES CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT SAYS VACCINE HAS KILLED 45 THOUSAND PEOPLE
https://www.bitchute.com/video/YuNZBGeMWlEn/
+1
My friend’s wife got COVID-19 kidnapped. I went there to pray for her and the staff was furious. Bunch of evil people.
I dont remember hospoce being like that.
You dont receive treatment anymore because the expectation is death. You receive meds to make you comfortable in your death... Maybe someone can explain exactly what you are suppose to say
Desantis is mobilizing infusion treatment
This is the avenue that needs to be opened up. One poster here had a nightmare to try to get it and barely got it in time.
Bkmk
Maybe with the China Flu, there are more options (?).
I would NEVER sign a healthcare proxy or power of attorney.
The father of my daughter’s boy friend signed all that stuff 6 years ago, then 3 years ago got divorced. When he was hospitalized and in a coma, the hospital asked the ex-wife (she was the designated one) if they could pull the plug. She said yes, and her 2 boys were furious and haven’t spoken to her since.
Sadly, that is a reminder for all to HAVE and KEEP wills & POAs CURRENT.
My non-medical advice ... stay OUT of the hospital if at all possible. EARLY OUTPATIENT TREATMENT is critical - first 1-5 or 1-7 days. For those that are jabbed, who get that sniffle, sore throat or whatever and think ‘can’t be COVID, I am jabbed’, they tend to miss the early treatment window.
There are quite a few protocols out there for prophylactic and early outpatient treatment: FLCCC, Dr.Zalenko, Assoc. of American Physicians & Surgeons (e-book) for starters. Also, listening to interviews with docs there are meds like Budesenide (Rhinocort) & Famotidine (Pepcid) which are helpful in fighting COVID. The most important are getting your Vit D levels up above 40 (50, 60, 70 is better), zinc taken with an ionophore (hydroxychloroquine is best, but if unavailable, Quercitin with C), Vit C, and the list goes on.
If you can jump on COVID early, in the first 1-5 days with early outpatient treatment, which keeps the viral replication down, you likely will not get to the point of hospitalization. Currently, the NIH/CDC protocols are to do nothing until the patient is so low on oxygen that they need to be admitted in which case the “nightmare” starts. The AAPS early outpatient treatment suggests talking to your PCP & see if they will give you treatment should you come down with COVID - have this talk before you need a doc. If they will not treat you, then find a doc who will - there are lists of docs on FLCCC’s protocol, I believe. You may have to go to telemedicine, but have an idea what you’re going to do before you need it.
The wife of a friend went into the hospital with COVID last week. He was not allowed in the hospital - no one was because of a COVID outbreak. She was getting steroids only ... the right steroids? who knows .... then got put on a vent. Thank GOD, she rallied yesterday & is off the vent. Needless to say, he was going half crazy, unable to see her and at the mercy of the docs/nurses .... who were not calling him at all at one point. To be honest, he was uninformed - we gave him FLCCC’s protocol for hospitalized patients (she was getting none of that treatment) & he was going to try to talk to the docs about using it - I don’t know if that ever happened.
I have been MPOA for 2 dying people (not COVID), both of whom have had to go on hospice. There are certain conditions that have to be met to go on hospice and a doc has to sign off. I do not know if there is one for COVID, but it’s not as easy as saying “I want hospice” ... unless, of course, you have the funds to privately pay for it. I do think being someone’s MPOA would be useful as long as you fully understand their wishes and are willing to carry them out & if they trust you to do so.
From my experiences, in the medical environment that exists today, if you want quality care, you cannot just have the attitude that “whatever the doc says it’s what I’ll do”. You have to educate yourself, know what is going on, and advocate strongly for yourself. It is YOUR body ... you only have one and YOU are responsible for it and your health care. Many elderly folks in particular, think docs are ‘god-like’ and they question nothing so they get pills thrown at them for every symptom. My elderly parents are not jabbed and intend to stay that way, so we are printing protocols, stocking up with what we need to prophylax & mom is having the ‘will you treat’ chat with her PCP during a regular appointment next week.
Here are some links that are/have been helpful:
Dr. Zelenko - go to “protocols” tab on website:
https://vladimirzelenkomd.com/
FLCCC (Dr. Pierre Kory)- go to “protocols” tab on website::
https://covid19criticalcare.com/
AAPS - see ‘home based COVID treatment’:
https://aapsonline.org/
All the protocols will mention zinc - just taking zinc does not get it INTO the cells to prevent viral replication, you need an ‘ionophore’ to get it in - here’s an article on that:
How to Improve Zinc Uptake to Boost Immune Health
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/04/joseph-mercola/how-to-improve-zinc-uptake-to-boost-immune-health/
Interviews:
Some of the best are on The Conservative Review with Daniel Horowitz. Here is the main link & I’ll list some of the interviews you can find at this link:
https://www.theblaze.com/podcasts/daniel-horowitz-podcast
Ep 934 | The CA Doctor Who Saved Thousands of Lives by Treating the Virus Early | Guest: Dr. Brian Tyson
Ep 936 | Mass Vaccination Is Causing Us to Chase Our Tail | Guest: Dr. Dan Stocks
Ep 928 | The Audacity to Treat: The Doctor Fighting Censorship to Cure COVID | Guest: Dr. Pierre Kory
I hope the links are helpful. Both unjabbed AND jabbed need to be aware of this info since both can get COVID. Dr. Z says if you are jabbed, you have put yourself back in a ‘high risk’ category (see the interview with Dr. Stock & you’ll know why) so a prophylactic protocol is important for everyone.
Good luck & best wishes for good health, everybody.
So a couple of things about power of attorney that need clarification
1. I have seen personally once in a while something like what you are suggesting. Am estranged person for whatever reason has a POA. If that is the case, and upon belief that someone is acting in bad faith, I am legally allowed to seek guardian for the patient who will act in the best interests of the patient. I usually tell the families that while the POA is the decision point and legally allowed to make decisions that when I am speaking to the POA it is because the patient is incapacitated and I am seeking to hear what the patient wanted prior to incapacitation.
2. A POA does not get to choose treatments specifically. They can consent to treatment or not. To life sustaining maneuvers or not. To procedures or not. For example if a patient POA states they want a specific treatment that is not safe or indicated, that treatment will not be provided. Just because you have a POA does not mean someone will choose treatments specifically. While I am sure that is not what the poster is trying to say it may come across that way to some.
3. Hospice is end of life issues within six months and comfort measures only. I view oxygen and fluids as a comfort measure so I and many others will generally sign off on those (hospice transitions are often done from the icu level of care — just heading of the invariable accusation that I wouldn’t know about that as an intensivist) but active treatments are stopped often including antibiotics. The goal of hospice is comfort not treatment.
Anyway it’s a good post becuase absolutely you should have someone to adopts for you in the event you are incapacitated but that means directing what you would want not substituting their judgment for you.
Be well
Hospice always concerns me. I authorized hospice for someone in a nursing home shortly after she went into the facility. It sure did look like the person wasnt even going to make it through the weekend.
The person rallied and lived 5 more years. Quality of life was terrible but that is what the body chose to do.
My parent decided on hospice while dealing with cancer. I didnt like it but not my choice. Succumbed almost to the day as predicted by the Dr. Months earlier
When the feds make it mandatory for everyone, POA won’t do a thing.
You won’t be allowed to be around a family member in the hospital who has Covid because Covid is very contagious (everyone will get it) and if you live with that family member, you might have Covid.
The time to do something about Covid is BEFORE you get Covid. Do a prophylaxis. Stay hydrated. Stay away from people. According to the Boulder study, Covid degrees of sickness could be related to amount of viral load you get. You don’t need a mask in a grocery store but it could help when you are in close proximity to people for a lengthy period of time. A face shield is even better which is why doctors wear them.
#2 is crazy. I wanted Tequila and Quaaludes for my cold and I should be able to have it.
I asked my sister what she got for Covid in the hospital and she had no idea which is rare for her. They were just trying to keep her above ground. It worked and it cleared up her ongoing lung problems
I am glad your sister recovered.
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