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To: bagster
The arm chair quarterbacks with a medical degree from google strike again

If anything, google would side with you. So what you provided is what is called ironic, and it went right over your head.

You take the word of someone who calls themself Mom MD, as being someone who really knows what they are talking about, but what do you really know about this mom MD person? Is she really a mom? Is she really a doctor, and what kind of doctor is she?

These claims being made that the vaccines are not safe are coming from people such as Dr. Robert Malone who invented the mRNA technology:

'Single most qualified' mRNA expert speaks about vaccine risks after he says YouTube banned his video

So just because you got the vaccine shots, and nothing appears to be wrong with you, does not mean that you don't have a ticking time-bomb within your system. Perhaps you want to poo-poo this kind of information because yo want it to not be true. Otherwise, you might spend the following years wondering if it is true. I must admit that I can't blame you for taking that position, and for your sake I hope you are correct. But once you start really delving into the topic you find there are many reputable doctors speaking out against these vaccines.

We know these vaccines have caused numerous problems for people who have taken them, including deaths. With social media, regular media, and even government agencies silencing those who voice concerns, one has to wonder what we are not being told as to the true impacts of these vaccines.

One clear thing we can postulate is that the government does not have too much confidence in these vaccines, otherwise, they would not be talking about wearing masks even if you have been vaccinated, and more lock-downs. Funny how this virus keeps popping up just as it appears we are about to turn the corner and return to normal. There will never be a normal, at least for us peons.

When the vaccines were being fast-tracked, every Democrat to a person said they would not take a vaccine rushed through the process, yet here they are pushing them and even talking about mandating them. Do you honestly believe it is because they are really concerned for the citizens? I mean they allow anyone to invade this country, and they don't test them for the virus. Then they ship the m around the country.

You are smart enough to wonder why they have done a 180, even though there has been enough evidence to support withdrawing these vaccines that do not even seem to stop the virus or its variants. Something nefarious is afoot, is the only logical conclusion.

283 posted on 07/31/2021 6:03:31 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong
If anything, google would side with you. So what you provided is what is called ironic, and it went right over your head.

What an odd post, Delong. Probly cause I messed up with the italics on MomMd's quote. Funny to read, though. Research my opinion on the covid/vax and MomMd in particular, then revisit your thoughts.


287 posted on 07/31/2021 8:35:45 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: Robert DeLong; bagster

” Dr. Robert Malone who invented the mRNA technology:”

Robert, that’s a false statement.

Dr. Katalin Karikó and her collaborator Dr. Drew Weissman who are more commonly credited with laying the groundwork for mRNA vaccines.

On his personal website, Twitter, and LinkedIn, Dr. Robert Malone has been promoting himself as the inventor of mRNA vaccines. This is misleading. In 1989, Malone published a paper titled “Cationic liposome-mediated RNA transfection.” While this paper is an example of his important contribution to the then-emerging field, it does not make him the inventor of mRNA vaccines

Also, Malone has changed his tune to “i invented the vaccine technology platform.”

That isn’t true either


295 posted on 08/01/2021 1:59:18 AM PDT by Cronos ( )
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To: Robert DeLong; bagster

There has been misinformation over the last several days that Dr. Malone is saying that the spike protein on COVID — a portion of that protein is being made by the mRNA in the vaccine — is toxic to cells. This has been thoroughly fact checked”

https://news.in-24.com/coronavirus/86485.html

The spike protein on the virus damages endothelial cells — the cells that make up blood vessels. the paper is here:

SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein Impairs Endothelial Function via Downregulation of ACE 2
Jiao Zhang Cardiology, First Affiliated Hospital of Xi’an Jiaotong University (Y.L., Jiao Zhang, Z.-Y.Y.). Cardiovascular Research Center, School of Basic Medical Sciences (Y.L., Jiao Zhang, L.C., Q.Y., S.W.). Xi’an Jiaotong University Health Science Center. Cardiology, Department of Medicine (Jiao Zhang, M. He, H.S., Y.Z., Y.C., J.Y.-J.S.), University of California, San Diego, La Jolla, CA.
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCRESAHA.121.318902
LOOK AT THE LAST SENTENCE:

“This conclusion suggests that vaccination-generated antibody and/or exogenous antibody against S[pike] protein not only protects the host from SARS-CoV-2 infectivity but also inhibits S[pike] protein-imposed endothelial injury.”

IOW, not only does the mRNA vaccine not cause cytotoxicity on its own (because it does not make the entire spike protein), but the generated antibodies protect against cytotoxicity of the viral spike protein.


296 posted on 08/01/2021 2:03:12 AM PDT by Cronos ( )
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To: Robert DeLong; bagster

Furthermore, did you even listen to what Dr Robert malone said on tucker Carlson?

“Do I think the risk-benefit ratio is appropriate for this age cohort? The truth is, I can’t really say, but certainly I can say that the risk-benefit ratio for those 18 and below doesn’t justify vaccines, and there’s a pretty good chance that it doesn’t justify vaccination in these very young adults,”

Malone is not warning us to avoid the vaccine. In fact, he is in favor of vaccination for adults over 25. What Malone is saying that safety data on the vaccine for people 16–24 is “lacking”

Notice that Malone hasn’t done any risk-benefit analysis. None that he has published, anyway. So I don’t see what data he bases his “certainly I can say that the risk-benefit ration … doesn’t justify vaccines.” What we have is a claim without evidence.

On the other hand, CDC has published their data:

COVID-19 Vaccination
CDC recommends COVID-19 vaccination for everyone 12 years of age and older to help protect against COVID-19. Children 12 years of age and older are able to get the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/adolescents.html
EtR: Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine Age 12-15 Years under EUA
What would be the impact of the intervention on health equity? Probably increased Among adolescents several groups were identified as being at increased risk for disproportionate COVID-19 morbidity and mortality. Analysis of demographic and social vulnerability data for COVID-19 vaccination coverage among U.S. adults indicated areas of potential concern for ensuring equitable COVID-19 vaccine access among adolescents. As of May 5, 2021, a smaller percentage of Black and Hispanic persons were fully or partially vaccinated relative to their percentage of the U.S. population. 1 During the first 2.5 months of the U.S. vaccination program, counties with high social vulnerability had lower COVID-19 vaccination coverage than those with low social vulnerability; disparities in vaccination coverage were observed in most states. 2 Pfizer-BioNTech has submitted data to FDA supporting the stability of their COVID-19 vaccine when stored for up to one month (31 days) at 2°-8°C (standard refrigerator temperature). This alternative to storage in an ultra-low temperature freezer, coupled with the anticipated availability of smaller vaccine dose packs and plans for local redistribution, should allow for expanded access to the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and provide vaccination centers greater flexibility. The requirement for a 2-dose series will make follow-up challenging for some underserved groups such as those who are homeless, live in rural locations, are justice-involved, disabled, or have no/limited access to healthcare. Application of the PROGRESS-Plus Framework 3,4 assisted in the identification of factors that could be associated with inequities in COVID-19 incidence, morbidity, mortality, or access to COVID-19 vaccination. CDC case-based surveillance data and other studies of adolescent age groups have reported racial and ethnic disparities in COVID-19 infections and deaths. Non-Hispanic Black, Hispanic/Latino and American Indian (AI)/American Native (AN) persons have experienced higher rates of COVID-19-related disease, hospitalization, and death compared with non-Hispanic Whites. 5-7 For example, an analysis of population-based surveillance data during March-July 2020 among children and adolescents aged 5-17 years, found that cumulative COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates among Hispanic and Black children were approximately seven and four times higher, respectively, the rate in White children. 7 Although Hispanic, Black, and AI/AN persons represent 41% of the U.S. population aged <21 years, these groups accounted for approximately 75% of deaths in persons aged <21 years during February 12-July 31, 2020. 6 Among adults, people working in subsets of essential industries; people living in poverty or with high social vulnerability; people residing in rural areas and in congregate settings such as corrections/detention facilities, homeless shelters, and group homes; people with disabilities; and people with substance abuse disorders, are disproportionatel
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/recs/grade/covid-19-pfizer-biontech-etr-12-15-years.html


297 posted on 08/01/2021 2:05:52 AM PDT by Cronos ( )
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