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Long Beach [CA] considers options for Queen Mary, including sinking the ship
LA Times ^ | Hugo Martin

Posted on 07/21/2021 1:47:40 PM PDT by BenLurkin

The aging Queen Mary could cost the city of Long Beach up to $175 million to preserve and maintain over the next 25 years but it could cost even more — up to $190 million — to recycle for scrap or sink into the ocean.

Docked on the city’s shore since 1967, the former ocean liner has long been a challenge to operate. A 2017 study recommended that as much as $289 million worth of renovations and upgrades were needed to keep parts of the ship from flooding. According to documents filed recently in Bankruptcy Court, the Queen Mary needs $23 million in immediate repairs to prevent it from potentially capsizing.

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TOPICS: Travel
KEYWORDS: longbeach; moneypit; queenmary
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To: BenLurkin

My father was in the first contingent of American troops to Arrive in Britain in ‘42 on board the Queen Mary. I crossed the N. Atlantic twice on the Queen Mary and twice on the Queen Elizabeth. Once in ‘51 and once in ‘56. I was 6 & 10 on those trips. I can remember them well, too much to tell here. You may have guessed that my mom was a war bride and half my family is English. You never lived until you’ve experienced lifeboat drill in the North Atlantic in December.


41 posted on 07/21/2021 2:35:28 PM PDT by .44 Special (Taimid Buacharch)
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To: wildcard_redneck

Was a lovely ship. Saw it and the Goose in ‘85.

This reminds me of the poor United States. They’re still trying to save it and it has NEVER had the luxury of being a tourist attraction…so I’d think this baby would have a chance to survive.


42 posted on 07/21/2021 2:36:09 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs. I )
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To: Michael.SF.

I saw something there, out of the corner of my eye. Was walking crosswise to a passageway and saw something white down the way, and it seemed to be moving.

Stopped, took a few steps back and looked again. Nothing.

Was probably just a trick of the light?


43 posted on 07/21/2021 2:40:26 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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To: wildcard_redneck

Whatever happens to her, I hope the décor is recovered and preserved.


44 posted on 07/21/2021 2:41:30 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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To: BenLurkin
Moored just abaft of Queen Mary is the Soviet submarine Scorpion which is rusting away due to neglect. Several years ago, it was a tourist attraction. It was somewhat shocking to see the Soviet navy jack flying in a California harbor so soon after the Cold War.

I once took a tour aboard the boat using one of those handheld speaker things that gave a narration. The speaker, purportedly the captain, spoke in a Russian accent, but I found it odd that he mispronounced some actual Russian words.

Sadly, Scorpion is now covered with rust and if it isn't quickly drydocked and given a thorough refurbishing, it may become irreparable.

45 posted on 07/21/2021 2:45:13 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Michael.SF.

I think there was a Haunted History episode about it.


46 posted on 07/21/2021 2:45:24 PM PDT by wally_bert (I cannot be sure for certain, but in my personal opinion I am certain that I am not sure.)
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To: BenLurkin
"up to $190 million — to recycle for scrap or sink into the ocean."

Wow.... What kind of a hustle is that, and do I have to be a politician to get in on it..?

47 posted on 07/21/2021 2:45:25 PM PDT by unread (Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities - Voltaire)
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To: BenLurkin

You’re assuming no largesse or government payola.


48 posted on 07/21/2021 2:45:46 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Get your houses in order.)
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To: Magnum44

The Spruce Goose is housed in the Evergreen Museum in McMinnville, Oregon. I have been inside it and have photos.


49 posted on 07/21/2021 2:54:53 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Leftnicks chase illusions of motherships at the end of the pier.)
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To: wildcard_redneck

“I wonder why they could not just cement it in. and make it a walk-in historical hotel.

That makes too much sense and it is way too cheap. The ship is being held hostage by the establishment. Either citizens cough up money for and insanely generous contract so that Nancy Pelosi or her nephew Gavin Newsom can milk us dry they will destroy the nice stuff, it’s just the way it is


There is a battleship New Jersey video on Youtube which addresses why the old battleships are not encased in concrete. The New Jersey curator said it was considered then rejected because the steel ships were built to be in water for the vast majority of its life. Encasing in concrete would actually cause the ships to eventually flatten out and collapse at a faster rate than if it were in water.

I am thinking it was considered in the past by the Queen Mary operators and rejected for the same reason.


50 posted on 07/21/2021 2:58:41 PM PDT by chrisinoc
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To: BenLurkin

Beautiful ship. I took a tour with a historian and learned a ton. Ghosts on board? You betcha.

Just sell the ship. The Queen Mary has many fans.


51 posted on 07/21/2021 3:00:17 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson.)
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To: Kommodor

The City of Baytown, where I currently live, wants the USS Texas to be moved to Baytown once it’s repair. This is foolishness. The cost of annual upkeep will be very expensive and the city is fooling itself thinking it will attract tourists and and visitors to Baytown.

It will be a financial disaster, just like the city’s financing of the repairs to the “Historic Brunson Theater”. The City is now considering offers to sell the Brunson theater. If they get 20% of the investment back, I’d be very surprised.

As is often the case, civic pride gets in the way of sound financial decisions. When you can’t get a private sector developer to finance finance a project, you know it is doomed for failure. The only exception to this rule is the USS Midway aircraft museum in San Diego. It’s one of the top four tourist attractions in California; and well worth the time and small fee to visit.


52 posted on 07/21/2021 3:00:50 PM PDT by WASCWatch ( WASC)
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To: DFG

Antifa hasn’t burned the Spruce Goose yet?


53 posted on 07/21/2021 3:03:44 PM PDT by Colt1851Navy (What was wrong with Nixon?)
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To: BenLurkin
Took flight lessons out of Fullerton, did turns-around-a-point near the Queen Mary on my 2nd lesson.

Remember jokingly saying "Tora Tora Tora" to my flight instructor...Mr. Tomishiro was not amused.

(I keeed)

Took my parents to the Queen Mary back when they had the Jacques Cousteau exhibit + Spruce Goose...pretty cool.

54 posted on 07/21/2021 3:04:55 PM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (Please Pray For My Brother Ken.)
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To: .44 Special

I crossed the Pacific six times on MSTS 1951-1961.
On the last trip I was 13 years old.


55 posted on 07/21/2021 3:05:00 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: BenLurkin

Ben, my niece is a pretty reliable person. I don’t recall how long she worked there, but she said that all of the tour guides she knew had similar experiences.


56 posted on 07/21/2021 3:07:04 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (Never do anything illegal, when you are doing something illegal. )
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To: freedumb2003

I wonder why they could not just cement it in.
= = =

Right

Caisson around it. Drain any water. Concrete backfill.


57 posted on 07/21/2021 3:24:44 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (My /s is more true than your /science (or you might mean /seance))
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To: BenLurkin

Turn it into a homeless camp, like the rest of LA.


58 posted on 07/21/2021 3:26:04 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods ( comment might be sarcasm, or not. It depends. Often I'm not sure either.)
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To: BenLurkin
When I went to an LST in Yokosuka 1970, I heard a story that sailors were no longer supposed to use a chipping hammer on the bilges of the squadron of Gearing class destroyers anymore because the rust was the only thing keeping the water out.

Now this of course was a sea story. And remember that a fairy tale begins “Once upon a time’ and a sea story begins “Now this is no shit”.

59 posted on 07/21/2021 3:33:15 PM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: BenLurkin
The knuckle heads have overlooked a tremendous use for the Queen Mary. By putting it on stabilizing supports out of the water, it could eliminate the leakage problem. That could be done by floating it into a water lock with the supports in position and lowering the ship down on supports that would put it's lowest deck at shore level. Once on its supports, drain the water out and remove the lock walls. Have exterior elevators access the levels on the ship. Position it so one whole side could overlook the bay. From what I see, as the ship floats in water, it is positioned for a great bay view. And, the ship does have great accommodations. With a few interior upgrades like having all the rooms and restaurants (Chelsea Chowder House & Bar and Sir Winston's Restaurant & Lounge) viewing the bay side with ample windows--it would be an incredible destination place for Long Beach and the entire area.

Here is a room found on the Queen Mary's web site:

Here is a view of the ship's Observation Bar:


60 posted on 07/21/2021 3:42:04 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Leftnicks chase illusions of motherships at the end of the pier.)
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