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To: ransomnote; bagster
Neither of you seem to understand that if people lose their sheet, they won't report into VAERS. That means VAERS will be an undercount, which is what you, ransomnote, are trying to estimate.

The amount of undercounting will be related to people keeping their sheet, actually reading the sheet, figuring out if they have something to report, then completing the report without giving up because the website is too difficult. Or calling the hotline and getting put on hold (I have no idea how they staff the hotline).

Then the next contributor to underreporting is how much data is deleted by the CDC instead of being put into the public report that we download. There's no question there's a backlog those curves in the ransonnote vanity a few weeks ago show the gap. They also delete what they believe to be spurious reports (e.g. the incredible hulk report). How many reports are deleted and what do they contain (besides incredible hulk which we know was deleted).

I don't think the Harvard study, the 1% reporting that comes from here: https://digital.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/docs/publication/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-2011.pdf is very applicable to the COVID vaccines. I think there's a lot more awareness with this vaccine and people report more events. Also there are a lot of headaches and fever being reported. But probably less than 1% of the actual headaches and fever.

There are 3,000 reports of mild headache or slight headache which is what I had (plus fever) and was not about to report it. It would be a waste of my time to report it and I'm sure many people feel the same way.

170 posted on 05/24/2021 6:50:09 PM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: bagster; ransomnote
Let's put it this way. Some group did random sampling of side effects using a survey. A survey is much more scientific than a self-reporting system: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778441 fatigue (53.9%), headache (46.7%), myalgia (44.0%), chills (31.3%), fever (29.5%), and joint pain (25.6%).

Here's the data from VAERS and a percentage of reporting:

SymptomFrom SurveyTotal in Vax PopReported in VAERS%
fatigue53.9%80,850,000283910.04
headache46.7%70,050,000493670.07
myalgia44.0%66,000,00052940.008
chills31.3%46,950,000390380.08
fever29.5%44,250,000452430.1
joint pain25.6%38,400,00063000.02

Not even 1%. The closest reporting ratio is 0.1% for fever IOW VAERS reports have between 1/1000th and 1/10,000th of the actual events.

I was given something like page 4 here: https://www.fda.gov/media/146305/download Mine was a single sheet of paper. Unfortunately I had to help my friend who can't walk well and left my sheet behind. It doesn't say "don't report your fever". But only 0.1% of the people with fever reported their fever.

I never once said these vaccines are safe compared to a flu shot. I think they have unknown safety and less safety for some groups like those with stronger immune systems. But the question is what is the rate of reporting of serious side effects, and delay or deletion of such reports from VAERS? That's the only way we can extrapolate actual numbers from VAERS numbers. The Harvard study says "1% of vaccine adverse events " Do they mean only serious? Or are they including the fever which is only 0.1% reported right now.

181 posted on 05/24/2021 7:34:15 PM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: palmer
There are 3,000 reports of mild headache or slight headache which is what I had (plus fever) and was not about to report it. It would be a waste of my time to report it and I'm sure many people feel the same way.

Did you happen to notice that the MDs who are most concerned about side effects (abnormal clotting, abnormal periods, cardiomyopathy, and on up to death) aren't basing their arguments on the number of missing headaches?

220 posted on 05/24/2021 8:42:22 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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