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A Battle for Monetary Supremacy… Gold, Bitcoin, and Fiat Currency
International Man ^ | 04/18/2021 | Nick Giambruno

Posted on 04/18/2021 1:35:54 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

INTERNATIONAL MAN's INTERIEW WITH NICK GIAMBRUNO: Chief Analyst of Casey Research’s flagship advisory, The Casey Report and its premium “value investing” advisory, Crisis Investing.

International Man: For over 2,500 years, gold has been mankind’s most enduring money.

With the emergence of Bitcoin - which has piqued the interest of many - there is a new hard money option.

How do you see the two as governments worldwide are engaged in the most extreme money printing experiment in history?

Nick Giambruno: Let me first say that I am all for free-market competition in money. I say let the best money win.

To really understand what is going on here, it’s imperative to have a handle on the basics.

Money is a good, just like any other in an economy. And it isn’t a complex notion to grasp.

It doesn’t require you to understand convoluted math formulas and complicated theories—as the gatekeepers in academia, media, and government mislead a lot of folks into believing.

Understanding money is intuitive and straightforward. Money is simply something useful for storing and exchanging value. That’s it.

The way I see it, three primary monetary goods are competing against each other today: Bitcoin, gold, and fiat currency.

Fiat currency is currently the dominant form of money in the world. But that status is rapidly fleeting as central banks are inflating their currencies at unprecedented and exponential rates.

That’s why many millions—soon billions—of people are turning to sound monetary alternatives like gold and Bitcoin.

Fiat currency is a fraud of historic proportions that causes incomprehensible damage. So I am rooting for both gold and Bitcoin.

International Man: Many proponents of gold have taken aim at Bitcoin and have called it a speculative bubble. Can you explain Bitcoin’s monetary qualities?

Nick Giambruno: Sure, but first let me say that I’d encourage the Bitcoin people and the gold people to have a temporary truce. It’s far wiser not to divide the people who want sound money and instead focus on defeating the bigger problem today, which is the government’s monopoly power over money, fiat currency, and central banking.

The sound money people are already a tiny fraction of the population, a rounding error, really. If they are divided and fighting among themselves, it will be far easier for the government to “tag and bag” them and prevail over both gold and Bitcoin.

So I suggest they team up and take on the bigger problem—and then fight it out later. It’s the basic strategy in any three-way competition where the two weaker sides team up to take on the more powerful side.

Now, back to Bitcoin’s monetary properties.

Bitcoin shares many of gold’s monetary characteristics. They’re both durable, divisible, consistent, convenient, scarce, and most importantly, they’re “hard assets.”

“Hardness” does not mean something that is necessarily tangible or physically hard, like metal. It means “hard to produce.” By contrast, “easy money” is easy to produce. The best way to think of hardness is “resistance to inflation,” which helps make it a good store of value—an essential function of money.

Like gold, Bitcoin does not have counterparty risk. Bitcoin and gold are the only primarily monetary assets that aren’t simultaneously someone else’s liabilities.

A lot more can be said on this topic, but this sums up the essential points.

It’s also important to clarify that none of the other 4,000 or so other cryptocurrencies are genuinely scarce like Bitcoin. They all have key players, insiders, and development teams that can act like central banks and inflate the supply if they choose to. In short, all other cryptos have artificial scarcity. Bitcoin has real scarcity.

With Bitcoin, the current and future supply is finite and known to all. There will never be more than 21 million Bitcoins, and there is nothing anyone can do to change that.

In short, Bitcoin is the only crypto in the same league as gold.

International Man: What do you say to critics who claim that Bitcoin is just a bunch of digits on a computer with no intrinsic value?

Nick Giambruno: One of the first—and most important—lessons that free-market Austrian economics teaches is that all value is subjective.

There is no such thing as inherent or intrinsic value.

Something only has value because individuals subjectively determine it does.

For example, when people didn’t understand what crude oil was, they’d find it in their backyards and think it was waste. They’d pay to have it removed from their property.

Later, once people understood the economic potential of crude oil, it was transformed from unwanted waste into “black gold.”

The oil didn’t change; it was still the same oil. What changed was how people valued it.

Marxists differ in that they falsely believe that labor has inherent or intrinsic value.

But this ridiculous notion is easily debunked.

The great economist Murray Rothbard explains this by asking people to try to make and sell mud pies—not the chocolate desserts, but pies literally made of dirt.

According to the Marxists, the pies have objective and intrinsic value because of the labor someone put into making them. But good luck getting someone to pay for them voluntarily.

The concept that all value is subjective applies to all goods, including monetary goods like gold and Bitcoin.

International Man: The Bitcoin price has reached breathtaking levels. It has also garnered the attention of institutional investors and corporations. Where do you see it going?

Nick Giambruno: What we have with Bitcoin is an entirely new asset that millions of people all around the world are adopting as money because of its superior monetary properties.

The monetization of the new monetary good is genuinely unlike anything anyone alive has ever seen before.

It took gold centuries to achieve monetization. Bitcoin has a good chance of undergoing monetization in a much shorter period.

The market cap for Bitcoin today is around $1.1 trillion, up over 8x in the last year alone.

The market cap for all the mined gold in the world, which took thousands of years to accumulate, is about $11 trillion.

That means Bitcoin has a market cap roughly equal to 10% of gold’s and is already well on its way to monetization.

Assuming gold stays flat and Bitcoin goes up 10x, it would then have a market cap roughly equal to gold. At that point, a single Bitcoin would be worth over $500,000. That is a real possibility. Bitcoin has gone up 10x several times in the past, and it can do it again, especially as corporations and institutional investors start buying Bitcoin for the first time.

Bitcoin is not an established money but an emerging one. It’s growing rapidly but doesn’t have the reliable history that gold does. I like to think of Bitcoin like hard money with a call option attached to it.

International Man: What about Bitcoin’s political risks? Can governments stop it?

Nick Giambruno: Bitcoin threatens a major source of the government’s power—the power to create money out of thin air and force everyone to use it. There’s no question they’ll try to protect this racket from Bitcoin. The question is whether they’ll be successful.

Remember, the Chinese government has banned bitcoin several times with little to no long-term effects.

That’s because it’s entirely impractical for governments to ban Bitcoin. They’re no match for the economic incentives that attract millions—soon billions—of people, and increasingly, corporations, to a harder and superior form of money. Further, all aspects of Bitcoin are genuinely decentralized and robust. The best that governments can do is play an endless game of global whack-a-mole.

Governments in Argentina and Venezuela have laws restricting their citizens from accessing US dollars. However, these laws have little effect on their citizens’ desire and ability to use them. These actions just create a thriving black market, or, more accurately termed, a free market.

Similarly, governments have tried to ban cannabis for decades, which hasn’t worked out very well for them.

Bitcoin would be infinitely more challenging for governments to ban than US dollars or a plant.

I would like to see governments try to ban Bitcoin. They’ll fall flat on their faces. This will reinforce the value proposition of Bitcoin as a superior form of money that nobody controls.

For example, the government of Nigeria recently banned Bitcoin. It’s an interesting case because the ban caused the Bitcoin price to increase, not decrease. After the ban, Bitcoins started selling at up to a 60% premium.

As we clearly saw with the war on (some) Drugs, government prohibitions caused prices of otherwise cheap plants, like cannabis, to rise far higher than they would otherwise in a free market. The same dynamic would be at work with Bitcoin. As counterintuitive as it may seem at first, government bans would be bullish for the price.

I’d also add that it’s a terrible, totalitarian notion to think that governments would throw peaceful people in cages for voluntarily exchanging value with Bitcoin. If your government goes down this path, I’d recommend immediately leaving the country as it would portend much worse things to come.

International Man: Is it too late for people to get involved or own some Bitcoin?

Nick Giambruno: Absolutely not. As I described above, Bitcoin has a real chance of reaching parity with gold’s market cap. That would imply a 10x move from current prices.

But it’s not just Bitcoin’s upside that makes it appealing. It’s the fact that nobody can inflate the supply, which makes it attractive as a store of value and a savings vehicle even if the price doesn’t go up. In a world of government-imposed taxes on savings—otherwise known as negative interest rates—just keeping what you have is a challenge. Fortunately, with Bitcoin, you can put your savings into something that nobody can dilute or inflate.

It’s also important to clarify that you don’t need to buy an entire Bitcoin. You can own tiny fractions of up to 1/100,000,000 of a Bitcoin. These are “satoshis”, and they are the smallest unit of a Bitcoin.

As of writing, you can buy 1,710 satoshis for $1.

In other words, if you have one penny, you can get 17 satoshis.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: bitcoin; cryptocurrency; currency; elonmusk; fiat; gold; tesla
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1 posted on 04/18/2021 1:35:54 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“Something only has value because individuals subjectively determine it does”

Any sales guy can tell you that.

Dopes in the unions or the UCLA Poli Sci department have no clue about it.


2 posted on 04/18/2021 1:43:11 PM PDT by Regulator (It's Fraud, Jim)
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To: SeekAndFind

Fiat currency is a fraud of historic proportions that causes incomprehensible damage.

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And that is why it will win out. Many people prefer spurious over genuine things of value.


3 posted on 04/18/2021 1:45:32 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: SeekAndFind

I bought $250 worth of crypto a couple of months ago which after fees, actually gave me $237 in crypto. It turned into $470 and I just pulled $300 out to buy some rear tires for my tractor. Gonna let the rest sit. Might try to build it back up a little at a time.

Didn’t buy Bitcoin because it just seemed weird spending $250 to buy 0.004 of something. Two days after I pulled the $300, all crypto tanked a bit but when I did pull the $300, it was at an all time high so my timing couldn’t have been better, even if it was just dumb luck.


4 posted on 04/18/2021 1:53:12 PM PDT by Pollard ( )
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To: SeekAndFind

I lost a lot of money during the dot com crash in the 90s but I think that will pale in comparison when the Cryptocurrency markets crash.


5 posted on 04/18/2021 2:22:53 PM PDT by antidemoncrat (som)
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To: SeekAndFind

“to sound monetary alternatives like gold and Bitcoin.”

Bitcoin is the purest fiat cuurency of a currencies. Last night Bitcoin plunged from $64,000 to $50,500. That’s real SOUND MONEY. ROFLOL!!!


6 posted on 04/18/2021 2:46:51 PM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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To: Pollard

where can one buy 250 in bit coin?


7 posted on 04/18/2021 2:53:45 PM PDT by thinden
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To: BiglyCommentary

Sure, it’s speculative. But I’m not upset about my 17X gain.


8 posted on 04/18/2021 3:12:00 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: thinden

coinbase.com is what I used


9 posted on 04/18/2021 3:29:10 PM PDT by Pollard ( )
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To: Pollard

ok great.

just bought some of their stock last week on the IPO


10 posted on 04/18/2021 3:31:57 PM PDT by thinden
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To: thinden

Coinbase, Gemini and Kraken are a couple major US onramps.

Everyone should be getting their feet wet learning about cryptocurrency. You don’t want to be the last person trying to figure out how to install a wallet when the world comes crashing down.


11 posted on 04/18/2021 3:44:32 PM PDT by EnderWiggin1970
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Oof, that should have read “fiat world.” With due respect to the opinion above, people don’t try to be stupid with their money. Given a choice between scarcity and non-scarcity, between government control and freedom, people will gravitate towards the right choice over time. That’s why bitcoin and other cryptos are growing by leaps and bounds. Harping on the occasional pullbacks amidst wild growth makes no sense.


12 posted on 04/18/2021 3:47:24 PM PDT by EnderWiggin1970
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Everyone should be getting their feet wet learning about cryptocurrency. You don’t want to be the last person trying to figure out how to install a wallet when the world comes crashing down.

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thanx for the advice.

I been fighting it.

kinda like I fought getting a cell phone or PC

looks like no way around it now.


13 posted on 04/18/2021 3:50:32 PM PDT by thinden
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To: SeekAndFind
... also add that it’s a terrible, totalitarian notion to think that governments would throw peaceful people in cages for voluntarily exchanging value with Bitcoin.If your government goes down this path, I’d recommend immediately leaving the country as it would portend much worse things to come.

Yep, that's a 'hint' alright...

14 posted on 04/18/2021 3:57:34 PM PDT by GOPJ (We need a better class of 'elites' - the ones we have now are more like stupid white trash...)
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To: SeekAndFind
Understanding money is intuitive and straightforward. Money is simply something useful for storing and exchanging value. That’s it...Fiat currency is currently the dominant form of money in the world

Both of these assertions are false.

The dominant form of money is credit, and it serves both functions well - except it is a medium of exchange for YOU and a store of value for SOMEONE ELSE.

The "someone elses" are quite powerful, and their power grows every time someone swipes or taps to obtain goods or services.

15 posted on 04/18/2021 4:07:16 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: SeekAndFind

How can Bitcoin be a hard asset when it can’t be held in one’s hand? Asking for a friend.


16 posted on 04/18/2021 4:46:03 PM PDT by LastDayz (A blunt and brazen Texan. I will not be assimilated.)
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To: Pollard
Two days after I pulled the $300, all crypto tanked a bit

Oh, so it was you?

17 posted on 04/18/2021 4:51:01 PM PDT by Database
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To: Jim Noble
The "someone elses" are quite powerful,

Yes, and 99.9% of the crypto fanboys seem to think the central banks, money center banks, credit card companies, etc. are just going to rollover and cede all that power, profit, and control with a whimper.

Reminds me of those Shark Tank episodes where Mr. Wonderful (Kevin O'Leary) reminds some entrepreneur upstart that the only reason they have been successful so far is that the big players in the space don't consider them competition. If and when that moment ever arrives, they would get crushed like cockroaches by the big players. Same holds true for ctyptos like Bitcoin.

Bitcoin will be worth a fraction of it's current value in 2 years.

18 posted on 04/18/2021 4:51:40 PM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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To: thinden

You can get a Robinhood account. Yes, they’ve been jerks about some things, and only offer a handful of cryptos, but you don’t need a wallet - in fact you can’t transfer crypto from RH to a wallet. That is something you should look into and determine how you feel most comfortable buying and storing your crypto.

I like that on RH buying crypto is much like buying securities.

Depending on which state you live in, you can purchase crypto on Webull as well. Then the ones that others on here have mentioned. Always try to buy on the dips. ;)


19 posted on 04/18/2021 4:52:33 PM PDT by Ladysforest (Racism, misogyny, bigotry, xenophobia and vulgarity - with just a smattering of threats and violence)
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To: LastDayz

The interviewee in the original post explains what he means by hard asset. The asset had a limited supply so its value cannot be inflated away.


20 posted on 04/18/2021 4:59:12 PM PDT by Database
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