They are property of the US Government.Thanks for the Barracks Lawyer point of view.
Posted on 04/10/2021 7:18:05 PM PDT by ransomnote
The sinister left never lets a good good crisis go to waste.
The “mostly peaceful” burn/loot/murder summer was the societal instability they used to foist this “dread plague” deep into anxious psyches.
The Dread Plague gave us “vote by mail or risk dying”
You know how that worked out.
It’s not a “conspiracy” if you understand your enemy’s tactics and sit and watch them do exactly what it is that they excel at.
We got played.
It should be interesting. The Nation of Islam is anti-vaxxer. What will happen when large numbers of minorities refuse the vaccine ?
I believe they’ll get the shots they are ordered to get.
Just as it’s always been.
Perhaps the military will be much stronger losing 50% of their conservative recruits? Perhaps the libs and LGBTQI soldiers will be better than us conservatives?
If you think a service member can refuse a shot that he is ordered to get, you’re deluded.
“Perhaps the military will be much stronger losing 50% of their conservative recruits?”
Won’t happen.
I served 8 years, 4 as enlisted, 4 as officer. This vaccine BS is out of control. They had no right to give us experimental vaccines, yet they did with threats of court marshal.
Court Marshal? Do tell. Court Martial.
Mostly experimental anthrax in the 90s
Oh yes it will. White Conservative Christian parents are already extremely hesitant to send their young men into an environment where they are considered “extremists.” This is merely another straw to break the camel’s back. Historically, who do you think made up most of our recruits?
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“...required to jump through the same hoops that you or I, as civilians, are required to.”
I spent 32 years working for Uncle Sugar, and 21 of it was active duty. In this situation, with what I consider a bio attack by China, the rules are different than when it was just a bunch of GI’s crossing a border. During wartime, which this has to be treated as, certain precautions are considered for the safety of those we go toward and walk away from to another group here at home.
An example is Canada. Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau has extended the ban on nonessential travel between the United States and Canada through April 21, 2021. Government leaders in both countries first announced the border closure one year ago on March 21, 2020, and have extended the order on a near-monthly basis since. And essential travel has to be proven and safe. Without it, the door is shut. And that’s with a country we haven’t had a military conflict with since the War of 1812. But they’re scared. And with their medical capacity, they should be. The most used hospital by Canadian citizens is in Detroit, Michigan.
wy69
I spent 32 years working for Uncle Sugar, and 21 of it was active duty. In this situation, with what I consider a bio attack by China, the rules are different than when it was just a bunch of GI’s crossing a border. During wartime, which this has to be treated as, certain precautions are considered for the safety of those we go toward and walk away from to another group here at home.
Again, I fear that we are talking at cross-purposes / have differing agendas.
I don't doubt your personal experience with military travel. But I still (even today, with Corona) strongly doubt that friendly but foreign powers have "retired" established practices and protocols which, traditionally, allowed armed and uniformed U.S. military members to cross their borders without going through all the rigamarole (filling out customs forms, tourism questionnaires, presenting vaccine passports, etc.) that mere civilians must endure.
If you are arguing that we should be concerned and wish to protect the populaces of foreign countries, as it appears that you are suggesting - that is an entirely different question.
Regards,
No matter how certain you think you are, as long as the Coof “vaccine” is administered under an emergency waiver, and has not gone through proper and complete testing and approval, they can not by law force any service member to take it, and service members CAN, and should say “no” if ordered to. The proof that they can not legally force them to take it is that so far they haven’t tried to force them to take it, and in the fact that the Covid cult is trying to get the military to ignore the law in place.
“they can not by law force any service member to take it,”
There is no such law. That’s the reason you cannot find it. But I encourage you to waste a day looking, you’ll be edified.
It’s a DoD rule. And that rule requires POTUS to issue an emergency directive or DoD won’t issue the order.
And, yes, the DoD can order all to take the shot.
Just as they did the experimental Anthrax vaccine in 1998-2008. Those who refuse will be Courts Martialed and discharged with a BCD.
That is the certain proof they can order a member to take a vaccine under EUA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthrax_Vaccine_Immunization_Program
“To date, the DOD has not announced a reevaluation of the AVIP, nor consideration of correcting the records of previously punished soldiers, in light of the above-mentioned legislative, legal and criminal findings related to the anthrax vaccine. “
“If you are arguing that we should be concerned and wish to protect the populaces of foreign countries, as it appears that you are suggesting - that is an entirely different question.”
This opens up a point you might want to consider. Other than what the media tries to tell people, we are not stationed in a vast majority of the countries we are in to attack or intimidate them. We are there for a mutual need. So as we are there for peaceful purposes with that country, we cannot be a threat to them. So the carrying of the virus into that country by our troops only increases the problems for that country. And as we are a guest in that country they have every right to be certain we will not be a medical liability. Or they can tell us to stay out if they are concerned just like Canada and other countries did.
And if the pro sports teams cannot keep tabs on their personnel for covid protocols trying to maintain the safety of others by lockdowns of a couple of hundred people away from the public when even needed, how can anyone expect Uncle Sugar to maintain the same liability for a number of thousands when contact has to be maintained?
And that is not our decision, it’s the countries we are in and our decision to attend to their wishes for their safety. Diplomacy.
The entrance of our military without their knowledge and approval is an act of war. We can’t and don’t just go where we please, there are rules we are expected to follow. They fall under the Laws Of War.
The laws of war are a component of international law that regulates the conditions for war (jus ad bellum) and the conduct of warring parties (jus in bello). Laws of war define sovereignty and nationhood, states and territories, occupation, and other critical terms of international law. These laws are what governs our entry into any country, peaceful or not. And one of our main objectives when we enter a country is the save harmless of its citizens. Allowing a 40% possibility of troops carrying the virus into an ally, is not going to win (or keep) friends. And, as per above, it is illegal.
wy69
Thanks for your insights, wy69.
As I said above, wy69, I don't think that we are ideological opponents. Rather, you and I are commenting upon different facets of the same issue.
Regards,
You have to be acting purposefully obtuse, just so you can come off as being right. I never said they couldn't order a service member to take a vaccine. I said they couldn't force anyone to take the Coof shot until it either comes off the emergency waiver, or the Commander in Chief sings a waiver. Also, people must consent. The law in question (don't remember the name, not going to search for you) was passed by Congress, and upheld in 2003 by a DC District Court judge. I know this, because I was paying attention after being forced to take the 1991 anthrax vaccine during my trip to the Gulf. That's why the DOD made the rule, and that's why GW Bush signed the waiver and forced service members to make a choice. No service member is going to be forced to get the Coof shot until whoever is the President signs the waiver...just like I said.
“No matter how certain you think you are, as long as the Coof “vaccine” is administered under an emergency waiver, and has not gone through proper and complete testing and approval, they can not by law force any service member to take it, and service members CAN, and should say “no” if ordered to. The proof that they can not legally force them to take it is that so far they haven’t tried to force them to take it, and in the fact that the Covid cult is trying to get the military to ignore the law in place.”
That is what you said.
My response was appropriate.
So far, we’ve been asked if we would take the ‘vaccine’. Even the flu shot isn’t a vaccine, which is why they require it annually.
I’ve opted out so far and will continue to as long as possible.
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