Could mRNA COVID-19 vaccines be dangerous in the long-term?

https://www.jpost.com The Jerusalem Post ^ | NOVEMBER 17, 2020 | MAAYAN JAFFE-HOFFMAN

[yelostar]

November 2020

Israelis celebrated on Friday when Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced that the country had signed a deal with Pfizer Inc. to buy its novel coronavirus vaccine. But the fact remains that if Pfizer succeeds – or Moderna, with whom Israel also has a contract – these will be the first-ever messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines brought to market for human patients.

In order to receive Food and Drug Administration approval, the companies will have to prove there are no immediate or short-term negative health effects from taking the vaccines. But when the world begins inoculating itself with these completely new and revolutionary vaccines, it will know virtually nothing about their long-term effects.

“There is a race to get the public vaccinated, so we are willing to take more risks,” Tal Brosh, head of the Infectious Disease Unit at Samson Assuta Ashdod Hospital, told The Jerusalem Post.

But he acknowledged that there are unique and unknown risks to messenger RNA vaccines, including local and systemic inflammatory responses that could lead to autoimmune conditions.

An article published by the National Center for Biotechnology Information, a division of the National Institutes of Health, said other risks include the bio-distribution and persistence of the induced immunogen expression; possible development of auto-reactive antibodies; and toxic effects of any non-native nucleotides and delivery system components.

[Chauncey Gardiner]

HCQ + Zinc for me and approx 25 family members since April 2020. Not even a runny nose; not a one. We’ve enjoyed travel, restaurants, church, weddings since that time. In other words, HCQ has allowed us to live normal lives. With this track record, no vaccines thank you.

[SMARTY]

So true. And after all the back-and-forth about the virus source, incubation, the lock down lies, the BS unprofessional personalities passing them selves off as ‘experts’, the herky-jerky start-and-stop teasing about ending the lockdown.....AND, not to mention the convenient Kabuki sham to royally screw up the US election....etc., how the h#ll is anyone supposed to turn his body into a petri dish.... JUST because some of these so called experts say it works?

[ransomnote]

There are known risks. They just are concealing them from the public because more would refuse the vaccine and demand FDA approved drugs Ivermecting, HCQ etc.

 

At the link in the NIH's database of accepted research is a report saying that vaccine trial participants SHOULD HAVE been told about the increased risk of ADE, and all future patients SHOULD BE warned. On the CDC's website, no mention of documented risk of ADE, even on the page for pregnant women. 

Excerpt: "Conclusions drawn from the study and clinical implications: The specific and significant COVID-19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed to research subjects currently in vaccine trials, as well as those being recruited for the trials and future patients after vaccine approval, in order to meet the medical ethics standard of patient comprehension for informed consent."

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33113270/

 

Since discovery of mRNA technology in 2005, animal trials repeatedly demonstrated that the vaccinated animals develop antibodies as expected, but then when exposed to Covid, their immune systems overheat and they die. Usually, this effect does not start until the 3-6 month window. The vaccine trials were therefore 2-3 months in length.

[Svartalfiar]

They keep recycling this crap. Are they saying the spike protein also occurs on normal human cells ? It almost certainly does not.

These cause the cells in your body to produce something for your body to attack - it's not an external threat that's being killed, it's something your own body produced. THAT'S a big part of the question - when you train your body to attack stuff its own cells produce, how do you guarantee it ONLY attacks the desired objects? And how do you tell the body to stop producing its fake virus once your immune system is trained on that spike protein?

[neverevergiveup]

Measles used to kill people, including infants, not uncommonly. Now it rarely does in countries that vaccinate against it.

Diptheria was a leading cause of death in children, killing ~20% of those 5 years of age and younger. Now it rarely causes death in developed countries that vaccinate against it.

There are myriad examples of successful vaccines. They have saved millions of lives over the decades since they were introduced.

Just sayin..

[Liberty Tree Surgeon]

Key paragraph all the way at the end of the article:

"But when asked if she [Lineal, ed] would take the vaccine right away, she responded: 'I won’t be taking it immediately – probably not for at least the coming year,” she told the Post. “We have to wait and see whether it really works.'”

Question to the lady saying mRNA vaccines are perfectly fine: If they are safe, then why not take it regardless of whether it works? If your "better safe than sorry" approach is to NOT take it, why push it then???

[aMorePerfectUnion]

I think it if you invented a way to “reverse” it, you’d become a trillionaire in 5-10 years.

[yelostar]

I just don't believe that a normal, reasonably healthy person, with an uncompromised immune system, will have any problem recovering from what is the equivalent of a flu virus.

But all of the masking, social distancing - and a whole new generation of germ-aphobes! - is not good for the collective, naturally-evolved immune system of the human race. We need to be exposed to germs, bacteria, viruses, fungi...Pathogens! - so our immune systems develop the ability to deal with them and protect us - naturally.

There is a much larger issue here. The people who collectively control just about everything in our world are entranced by technology. It is their bible, and they will, regardless of anything, continue with their never-ending march to perfect humanity, artificially. Synthetic "vaccines" - that can change the natural processes of our bodies - - are the new way, and they aren't going away. This probably delves into the "transhumanism" debate - and that's a rabbit hole, too. But people need to realize that our definition of perfecting humanity is not the same as the people who are making these world-changing decisons. The direction of what is going on now will eventually challenge us with the question of what it means to be human. And yes I mean exactly that.

In order to be ok with any of this, we have to trust the institutions that created and maintain society. I do not. They have proven in the past that they are not to be trusted. Even by doing a brief search online you can find troves of documents and articles about actions and experiments used on and against private citizens, without their knowledge or consent. In years past, people who brought these things up without documentation or proof - were labeled conspiracy nuts. Now there is documentation and proof - it's all out there - at least as much that has been declassified.

When people like George Orwell, Aldous Huxley and others, wrote books about the future, they weren't fiction. They were a map of the future, not a fantasy. Most of us thought these things might happen "someday." Someday is now, apparently.

[libh8er]

“These cause the cells in your body to produce something for your body to attack - it’s not an external threat that’s being killed, it’s something your own body produced. “

That is correct. But these cells sprouting the spike proteins die (killed by the body’s own immune system). The key point is they are limited in number — and all of which will die — and the change is not hereditary. The spikes won’t be passed down to succeeding generations because there is no genetic/DNA alteration.

[Turbo Pig]

It’ll be very interesting to see what happens in a year comparing those who got the jab versus those who didn’t.

This makes for fantastic dystopian fiction fodder. Two opposite storylines come to mind. In the first a dark cabal seeks to cull the global herd. They create a scare for some innocuous virus and get people to inject a "vaccine" into their bodies. They then release a second virus that targets people who have been "vaccinated" that kills them. This leaves what they consider an independent and free thinking people and to usher in a new age of man. Actually, this has sorta been done very nicely in the original BBC series "Utopia"; not the crappy US remake.

In the second plot, a dark cabal seeks to cull the global herd of free thinking, independent people. They create a scare for some innocuous virus and get people to inject a vaccine in their bodies. They then release a second virus that targets people who refused the shot and it kills them. This leaves a more docile and pliable populace to them to rule over.

Before anyone gets butt hurt, and thinks I'm talking about them, remember I said "dystopian fiction? None of what I outlined has anything to do with real life...or does it?

[Liberty Tree Surgeon]

And we are arguing with sheep

No, you're arguing with the Control Group. Please make sure to report your side effects or lack thereof to your research contact (doctor, local health department, etc.).

[Jane Long]

Key paragraph all the way at the end of the article:
“But when asked if she [Lineal, ed] would take the vaccine right away, she responded: ‘I won’t be taking it immediately – probably not for at least the coming year,” she told the Post. “We have to wait and see whether it really works.’”

Question to the lady saying mRNA vaccines are perfectly fine: If they are safe, then why not take it regardless of whether it works? If your “better safe than sorry” approach is to NOT take it, why push it then???

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Exactly!!

I think we know why!!

[phoneman08]

I’ve never been an early adopter. I’ll wait for 2.0 and let you beta testers find the bugs.

Of course there's always the natural path to immunity. I buried two friends on their path to natural immunity.

[RushingWater]

Are they saying the spike protein also occurs on normal human cells ? It almost certainly does not.

I love simple explanations, looks like the normal cell hosts the mRNA spike proteins to me.

How mRNA vaccines work

[Steve Van Doorn]

They're still in the test phase of mRNA vaccines.
Studies that have been made on mRNA measles vaccine. About 1/3 of the test subjects had epitope(antibodies bind), also known as antigenic determinant or pathogenic priming. Another 1/3 they where not sure if they had epitope or not. Found here
Mapping of topoisomerase II α epitopes recognized by autoantibodies in idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1905127/

Similar report focused on covid
Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/

This is for reference on Type II topoisomerase. DNA-binding core that contains a winged helix domain (WHD), often referred to as a CAP domain, since it was first identified to resemble the WHD of catabolite activator protein (which seems to be the trigger for the cytokine storm)
https://infogalactic.com/info/Type_II_topoisomerase#Structure_of_type_IIA_topoisomerases

For reference on epitope or pathogenic priming. antigen to which an antibodies bind. Once they bind they can't function.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Epitope

[neverevergiveup]

“And how do you tell the body to stop producing its fake virus once your immune system is trained on that spike protein?”

mRNA has a short half-life (average half-life of mRNA has been shown in some studies to be ~4.8 minutes). Once you've been injected the mRNA encoding the spike protein will be taken up into cells (probably by endocytosis), and then rapidly translated into copies of the spike protein. In this manner, the adenovirus-mediated vaccines and the mRNA vaccines are doing essentially the same thing - providing a nucleic acid blueprint for making the spike protein. The adenovirus (a DNA virus) likely lasts a little longer (these are non-replicative adenoviruses that can't make more of themselves), and has a DNA blueprint for making the mRNA that will then get translated into the spike protein. So it's essentially doing the same thing as the mRNA vaccines, but is one step further back in the process.

Anyway, one of the limitations of gene therapy has been the inability to get the corrective gene sequences to last. This can be overcome with some viruses (HIV-derived vectors, retroviruses, AAV), but remains a big limitation. That said - it's not a worry that the Covid vaccine mRNA is going to hang out and make spike protein for a long time.

That said, the antibodies that are made could, theoretically, have some cross reactivity to human proteins and thus cause some unanticipated autoimmune phenomena. This is a risk with any vaccine.

[BiglyCommentary]

2 weeks out since starting smoking 5 packs of cigarettes a day. Feel fine. Not a smidgeon of lung cancer detected. Just want to sound the all clear that smoking is safe, safe, safe. HOW CAN IT NOT BE?? IT’S BEEN 2 WEEKS.

[ransomnote]

“unique and unknown risks to messenger RNA vaccines, including local and systemic inflammatory responses that could lead to autoimmune conditions.”

They keep recycling this crap. Are they saying the spike protein also occurs on normal human cells ? It almost certainly does not.
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I can see why you'd say that based on what little information we're told.

As I research this I've discovered that vaccines were developed without isolated samples of the actual virus.

I started looking back at old NYT articles and others and found that they blur the lines when talking about COvid-19 and the Corona Virus.

For example, the US was waiting for tests for Covid-19, and the first line of the NYT article says the CDC produced contaminated Corona Virus tests. Now, I thought when I read it back then that they were one in the same. I now realize they were obscuring the fact that the CDC was producing (and contaminated) a product which "tests for fragments of material which can be found in related Corona Virus and other materials like human dna, coca cola, and goats." Didn't see that comin'!

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3836654/posts

So reading the content by the CDC etc. it sounds like they are using mRNA to tell your body to produce Corona Virus proteins which your body will learn to fight. That's what they wanted us to think.

However, they selected one of many known spike proteins of related corona viruses, which  most of us have likely produce from prior experience with common illnesses, to put in their vaccines.

The CDC and MSM switch between the terms Covid-19 and Corona-Virus as if they are referring to the same pathogen; that's what they want us to think. But they are using written slight-of-hand to confuse us intentionally. 

Early in the planned-demic, the NYT reported that the CDC produced millions of PCR tests which proved to be contaminated. Upon examination (I think some regulatory agency) it was discovered that the CDC didn't follow it's own protocols and so the tests were being produced in the same room as positive samples of corona virus.

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C.D.C. Labs Were Contaminated, Delaying Coronavirus Testing, Officials Say
NY Times ^ | April 18, 2020 | By Sheila Kaplan

Posted on 4/19/2020, 4:47:00 AM by rintintin

"Problems ranged from researchers entering and exiting the coronavirus laboratories without changing their coats, to test ingredients being assembled in the same room where researchers were working on positive coronavirus samples, officials said. Those practices made the tests sent to public health labs unusable because they were contaminated with the coronavirus, and produced some inconclusive results."

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Back then I was utterly stunned. In a pandemic, the CDC is working with an open container of the pandemic virus which they were screaming was going to kill millions.

But in reality, they had to have had samples of related corona virus. The CDC was using another virus in the corona family as their excuse. So that  fake cover story is proof that the PCR test detects materials other than Covid-19 virus.

And since then I have learned that the PCR, by design, does not test for the Covid-19 virus. That's why the NYT story holds up partly - they had an open container of a related corona virus.

The PCR test can identify a string of material that may be fragments of related corona viruses, or remains of dead Covid virus that you successfully fought off (never became ill).

Sadly the CDC and manufacturers have specified their PCR test to detect strings of material which may be found in Covid, but which can also be found in many differnt materials, including animals, fruit, and Coco Cola. This was not an accident. That's why the PCR has a false positive rate of 90%.

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More about this info at: PLAGUE OF FEAR 2020 - Part 7 - THE NAIL IN COVID'S COFFIN (freerepublic.com)

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Here's an article about the PCR written by a former Chief Science officer for Pfizer.
https://lockdownsceptics.org/lies-damned-lies-and-health-statistics-the-deadly-danger-of-false-positives/

He has an impressive resume and is well qualified to weigh in on this topic.

Nothing we're being told is as it seems. The CDC et. al. have been weaponized against us. Since we're talking about the China Virus, I'd say China is behind the absurd abuses we're witnessing. Fauci gave Wuhan development money before the planned-demic, and has promised to give Wuhan money after the planned demic.

[mom.mom]

As a healthy person who works to enhance my immune system and who had Covid-19, I assume my body has naturally set up it’s awareness of this virus and is prepared to fight it, as well as trillions of other viruses. Why would I inject myself with a vaccine that overrides my natural processes?

[Golden Eagle]

Modified RNA has a direct effect on DNA

https://phys.org/news/2020-01-rna-effect-dna.html

In areas of DNA where RNA binds to one of the DNA threads in such a way that the complementary DNA thread becomes the sole thread (R-loop structures), the DNA stability will change if RNA is chemically modified by m6A.

“Several research groups are now working together to study what effect this can have on the DNA molecule. We already know that R-loop areas are associated with sequences of DNA containing active genes and that this can lead to chromosomal breakage and the loss of genetic information,” explains Klungland.

U.S. National Library of Medicine

What is epigenetics?

https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/understanding/howgeneswork/epigenome/

DNA modifications that do not change the DNA sequence can affect gene activity.

Epigenetic changes can help determine whether genes are turned on or off and can influence the production of proteins in certain cells, ensuring that only necessary (desired) proteins are produced.

Because errors in the epigenetic process, such as modifying the wrong gene or failing to add a compound to a gene, can lead to abnormal gene activity or inactivity, they can cause genetic disorders. Conditions including cancers, metabolic disorders, and degenerative disorders have all been found to be related to epigenetic errors.