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Vanity: What happens when the phone companies block conservatives from the internet?
Myself | January 8, 2021 | Myself

Posted on 01/08/2021 5:53:56 AM PST by littleharbour

Now that Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, etc., have made it clear they will deny access to their social media monopolies because of personal political beliefs, what will stop the phone/internet companies from denying access to basic phone, internet and cell service. This would result in the shutdown of Free Republic, Parler, OANN, RSBN, Newsmax, etc. And what would stop the banks and mortgage companies from denying access to their services?

With no means of collective communication, and imposition of severe financial consequences on individuals, how would it be possible to have any form of resistance against the media/uniparty/big tech/big corporate/deep state dictatorship?

This may not all happen tomorrow, but this is exactly what the leftists want. And the shutting down of the President's social media links proves that it is possible. Comments welcome.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: bidenvoters; bigtech; conservativepurge; internet
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41 posted on 01/08/2021 7:10:07 AM PST by sergeantdave (Federal courts no longer have any standing in America. )
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To: BillyBoy
they’re stuck with those judges for the next several decades.

Pass a law dropping their pay rates to minimum wage. They will leave very quickly. And don't worry about what the constitution says. Nobody pays attention to that anymore.

42 posted on 01/08/2021 7:16:04 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: sergeantdave

The BF is the go to, chirps reprogrammed, and flexible antennas along with a book on how to string up wire to run different freq. ranges.

Ty

Respects


43 posted on 01/08/2021 7:21:02 AM PST by Swiffer_Ralf (Orig. Eureka_Lead)
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To: Lockbox

Phone companies are still regulated as an utility I believe

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Facebook and Twitter are utilities as well. And we all know how they suppress freedom of speech. I have long maintained that if Facebook and Twitter are allowed to censor our lives, it won’t be long before your phone company will do the same. Before your electric company will cut you off. Before your insurance will cancel your policy. Before the state allows all private companies and Utilities to trample over our rights and our freedom‘s.


44 posted on 01/08/2021 7:24:33 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: vikingd00d

Yes. Good suggestion

Btw

Love the tag you have... Lol


45 posted on 01/08/2021 7:28:45 AM PST by Swiffer_Ralf (Orig. Eureka_Lead)
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To: littleharbour

Hacking into other Internet accounts, VPN services..lots of ways around this. However, the Chinese seem to have perfected Internet censorship and I am certain their technology will be used here soon enough


46 posted on 01/08/2021 9:10:08 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatche)
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To: The Great RJ

And no doubt the ChiComs have perfected this Big Brother system with the participation of the American Big Tech giants. Traitors all.


47 posted on 01/08/2021 9:50:53 AM PST by littleharbour ("You take on the intel community they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you" C. Schumer)
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To: Responsibility2nd

At this time neither Facebook nor Twitter are utilities.


48 posted on 01/08/2021 12:01:25 PM PST by Lockbox
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To: Lockbox

Incorrect. They are what is now known as e-utilities.

They are monopolies that every day ordinary Americans use in a normal course of daily life. They are a standard form of communication to freely express any and all of our constitutional freedoms.

For our government to allow these companies to limit our freedom of speech is unconstitutional.


49 posted on 01/08/2021 12:35:57 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd
For our government to allow these companies to limit our freedom of speech is unconstitutional.

So was what they just did to our elections.

Never underestimate the ability of the left to rationalize suppressing conservatives, and the willingness of corporate American to accommodate what the left wants done.

50 posted on 01/08/2021 12:38:00 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: ArtDodger

You forgot denied health care, debit cards denied, no fly list, and food rationed.


51 posted on 01/08/2021 12:38:23 PM PST by New Perspective (Proud father of a son with Down Syndrome and fighting to keep him off Obama's death panels.)
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To: littleharbour
Well then we will just have to start our own communications company.

Easy Peezy.

I have a couple of cups and some string. That should do it.

52 posted on 01/08/2021 12:39:12 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Dear Clare, The awkward time is almost over. Love, Normal Americans)
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To: littleharbour

Only a matter of time...

IAC, will never be a continuing problem... Most Conservatives will be long gone (purged) from this earth before the Harris-Pelousy administration ends in 2040...


53 posted on 01/08/2021 12:41:11 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is Sam Adams now that we desperately need him)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Let me know when they pass the e-utilities regulation law. Until then Facebook can do what ever it wants.

I understand your concerns, but the law always trails changes. This is why it took about 14 years to pass the Clayton Antitrust Act.

54 posted on 01/08/2021 12:56:21 PM PST by Lockbox
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To: Lockbox

Such a law should be passed. Last year even Elizabeth Warren was supporting it.


55 posted on 01/08/2021 1:42:35 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Lockbox

Such a law should be passed. Last year even Elizabeth Warren was supporting it.


56 posted on 01/08/2021 1:42:35 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

There are folks who work in library administration who are staunchly anti-censorship. My wife is one of them. Most actual librarians want no part of any of this.

But they could be replaced, union protections or not.


57 posted on 01/08/2021 1:51:05 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: Responsibility2nd

With the actions Google, Facebook, Twitter and now Apple are taking I support you 100%. Too bad 230 exists, this needs to be changed.


58 posted on 01/08/2021 2:39:12 PM PST by Lockbox
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To: Responsibility2nd; Lockbox; Openurmind
Phone companies are still regulated as an utility I believe ———————————— Facebook and Twitter are utilities as well.

I did not think they were , but regardless, such have Terms of Use type agreements we signify consent to even if we have not read it (but we must say we have, though I mean part of it), concerning which Openurmind wrote

Morning Dan, as always you share a very good comprehensive reply. :) I found similar with AOL. AOL and Yahoo are now owned by Verizon and part of the "Oath" concept including Huffington Post. AOL terms link to the Oath terms. I'm leaning towards AOL blocking FR. https://policies.oath.com/us/en/oath/terms/otos/index.html Check this out... https://www.oath.com/ You agree not to use the Services to:

make available any content that is harmful to children, threatening, abusive...defamatory, hateful, or racially, ethnically, or otherwise objectionable;

And indeed, commercial communication companies like Google, Verizon and Comcast actually state in their ToS that certain forms of speech are prohibited. For example, Verizon's Acceptable Use Policy states in part,

1. General Policy: Verizon reserves the sole discretion to deny or restrict your Service, or immediately to suspend or terminate your Service, if the use of your Service by you or anyone using it, in our sole discretion, ...is objectionable...or violates the terms of this Acceptable Use Policy (“AUP”). Is so broad and subjectively defined that it can cover all sorts of otherwise protected speech. It used to say, "Verizon reserves the right to deny Service to you, or immediately to terminate your Service for material breach, if your use... promotes or incites bigotry, hatred or racism; (c) might be legally actionable for any reason, (d) is objectionable for any reason...

And Comporium Communications, like the rest, has a SERVICE AGREEMENT in which it states, Objectionable content. Using our services to post, transmit or disseminate any content that is, in our opinion, abusive, libelous, slanderous, defamatory, incites hatred or is otherwise offensive or objectionable.

Likewise, Comcast Cloud Solutions Terms of Service (for businesses) states, in part,

BY USING THE CLOUD SOLUTIONS MARKETPLACE YOU AGREE NOT TO post, upload, or distribute any User Submission (as defined in Section 8 below) or other content that is defamatory....inaccurate... or that a reasonable person could deem to be objectionable, offensive,...threatening, embarrassing, distressing, vulgar, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive, or otherwise inappropriate.

And as usual with these terms of service consents, this contains some ambiguous language( that would allow broad censorship (cf. content that is offensive or objectionable) which can be interpreted to place FR in violation, and you/us as users, now or in the future.

And note Cloudflare's policy which is, as stated vby CEO Matthew Prince, "One of the greatest strengths of the United States is a belief that speech, particularly political speech, is sacred. A website, of course, is nothing but speech ... A website is speech. It is not a bomb. There is no imminent danger it creates and no provider has an affirmative obligation to monitor and make determinations about the theoretically harmful nature of speech a site may contain."

For all customers Cloudflare offers an "I'm Under Attack Mode" setting. Cloudflare claims this can mitigate advanced Layer 7 attacks by presenting a JavaScript computational challenge which must be completed by a user's browser before the user can access a website - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloudflare

But who dropped the American neo-Nazi website "The Daily Stormer" as a customer. Which I would do also, but as said, if a host can deny such based on its content being objectionable, it can deny conservative content on the same basis (unless perhaps the one denied wanted to promote the homosexual agenda or reverse racism.). This issue led to this opinion piece in the NYT no less, The Terrifying Power of Internet Censors :

Generally speaking, there are two kinds of corporate players on the internet: companies that build infrastructure through which content flows, and companies that seek to curate content and create a community.

Internet service providers like Verizon and Comcast, domain name servers, web hosts and security services providers like Cloudflare are all the former — or the “pipe.” They typically don’t look at the content their clients and customers are putting up, they just give them the means to do it and let it flow.

Social media platforms like Facebook are the latter. They encourage their users to create, share and engage with content — so they look at content all the time and decide whether they want to allow hateful material like that of neo-Nazis to stay up.

One of the additional difficulties with Cloudflare is that it is not so much a piece of pipe as it is a service. Specifically, it is a paid-for-protection service. Having to hire Cloudflare to protect your website is like having to hire security to protect you from attackers when you speak in the public square.

Matthew Prince, Cloudflare’s chief executive, acknowledged how much power his company has, and what’s at stake. “The internet is a really important resource for everyone,” he said in an interview with TechCrunch, “but there’s a very limited set of companies that control it and there’s such little accountability to us that it really is quite a dangerous thing.” - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/opinion/cloudflare-daily-stormer-charlottesville.html


59 posted on 01/08/2021 6:30:49 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212

Utilities are not allowed to discriminate between customers – every customer is entitled to service on equal terms.


60 posted on 01/08/2021 6:51:27 PM PST by Lockbox
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