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Cuomo's mask nazi's show up...Owners reaction is glorious...(someones gonna get hurt eventually)...
https://twitter.com/i/status/1330261324119633923 ^ | 11/21/20 | Basalt

Posted on 11/21/2020 3:31:37 PM PST by basalt

https://twitter.com/i/status/1330261324119633923

they better back off this non sense...not gonna end well...


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KEYWORDS: coronavirus; masks; newyork
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To: basalt

Bravo. Needs to be repeated often and all over.

They may have a job to do but it is not a job worth having. They need to think about that.


21 posted on 11/21/2020 4:34:59 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (I have a burning hatred of anyone who would vote for a demented, pedophile, crook and a commie whore)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Everyone should turn in their business licenses and go totally black market out of their own property and business. The foot in the door is when they required business licenses. They don’t protect anyone at all. What protect individuals is lawyers suing for damages, and insurance requiring certain things for indemnification. List the insurance company, and what they cover you for at the front door and nothing else is needed. Government is the enforcer of Al Capone wanting a cut.


22 posted on 11/21/2020 4:35:07 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (“If there are no absolutes by which to judge society, then society is absolute.” Francis Schaeffer, )
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To: basalt

Looks like all those Sheriff’s are a little overweight...obese you might say. Probably more deadly than the Covid. Maybe they need to call the “Donut Nazis” on them!


23 posted on 11/21/2020 4:36:14 PM PST by parmamenian (and so it goes!)
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To: mass55th

Going to get out of hand and people are going to get killed.

That is the only real conclusion anyone should expect.

We the people are sick of this sh_t.


24 posted on 11/21/2020 4:36:50 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (I have a burning hatred of anyone who would vote for a demented, pedophile, crook and a commie whore)
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To: Qiviut

The power of our vote has been destroyed. What do we have left?


25 posted on 11/21/2020 4:37:51 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (I have a burning hatred of anyone who would vote for a demented, pedophile, crook and a commie whore)
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To: basalt

26 posted on 11/21/2020 4:39:22 PM PST by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: Sequoyah101

The power of our vote has been destroyed. What do we have left?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Unless somehow this election gets the corruption/fraud exposed & corrected to restore our vote, a replay of the American Revolutionary War (1775–1783) ... in this case, it’s versus our own government(s) Fed/State, not the King across the Big Pond.


27 posted on 11/21/2020 4:43:36 PM PST by Qiviut (Fox "News": Unfair, Unbalanced & Unhinged. #Foxit)
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To: lgjhn23
This is only gonna get worse to the point where the lead starts flying...but a BIG “thumbs-up” to these guys for standing up to em.

We have to have scenes like this one. Make THEM escalate. Hold them to the law and the Constitution. One guy on public land has a worse chance against a aggressive health department and sheriff than fifty people of one mind on private property.
28 posted on 11/21/2020 5:03:30 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Dr. Sivana

“Get a warrant!” “A w-wha-whaaaat?’


29 posted on 11/21/2020 5:17:15 PM PST by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: basalt
Well, I like that!

I went to Church and the lady at the door told me I was not wearing a mask and she told me to put one on. I firmly said "NO" and she repeated her request and I said "NO" and walked past her to my seat.

I went get buy cord for my Mac. I walked past the sign that read "Mask Required." A sales guy person yelled at me from about 75 feet away that I was not wearing a mask and I didn't even look at him I just raised my left arm and yelled, "NOPE" and I walked to find my cord. He didn't follow me.

My point is they are expecting us to easily comply. I have had it with the utter fascination people have with me not wearing a mask. I have decided to act like a nasty 4 year-old.

30 posted on 11/21/2020 5:51:03 PM PST by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys )
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To: basalt

“Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose,” and they’re pushing people to where they have nothing left to lose.


31 posted on 11/21/2020 6:01:25 PM PST by livius
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To: basalt

Even a Military-Enforced Quarantine Can’t Stop the Virus, Study Reveals:

Jeffrey A. Tucker American Institute for Economic Research

– November 13, 2020
AIER >> Daily Economy >> Regulation >> Authoritarianism
The New England Journal of Medicine has published a study that goes to the heart of the issue of lockdowns. The question has always been whether and to what extent a lockdown, however extreme, is capable of suppressing the virus.
If so, you can make an argument that at least lockdowns, despite their astronomical social and economic costs, achieve something. If not, nations of the world have embarked on a catastrophic experiment that has destroyed billions of lives, and all expectation of human rights and liberties, with no payoff at all.

[The earliest version of this article misstated the conditions of the control group. They were equally locked down with those who participated in the study. The difference between the two concerned testing frequency and the isolation response.

This does not affect this article’s conclusion; indeed it strengthens it: even under extreme measures, the virus spread, and more so with the extra measure intended to control the virus. Nearly all infections were without symptoms.]

AIER has long highlighted studies that show no gain in virus management from lockdowns. Even as early as April, a major data scientist said that this virus becomes endemic in 70 days after the first round of infection, regardless of policies. The largest global study of lockdowns compared with deaths as published in The Lancet found no association between coercive stringencies and deaths per million.

To test further might seem superfluous but, for whatever reason, governments all over the world, including in the US, still are under the impression that they can affect viral transmissions through a range of “nonpharmaceutical interventions” (NPIs) like mandatory masks, forced human separation, stay-at-home orders, bans of gatherings, business and school closures, and extreme travel restrictions.

Nothing like this has been tried on this scale in the whole of human history, so one might suppose that policy makers have some basis for their confidence that these measures accomplish something.

A study conducted by Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in cooperation with the Naval Medical Research Center sought to test lockdownsm along with testing and isolation. In May, 3,143 new recruits to the Marines were given the option to participate in a study of frequent testing under extreme quarantine.

The study was called CHARM, which stands for COVID-19 Health Action Response for Marines. Of the recruits asked, a total of 1,848 young people agreed to be guinea pigs in this experiment which involved “which included weekly qPCR testing and blood sampling for IgG antibody assessment.” In addition, the CHARM study volunteers who did test positively “on the day of enrollment (day 0) or on day 7 or day 14 were separated from their roommates and were placed in isolation.”

What did the recruits have to do? The study explains, and, as you will see, they faced an even more strict regime that has existed in civilian life in most places. All recruits, even those not in the CHARM group, did the following.

All recruits wore double-layered cloth masks at all times indoors and outdoors, except when sleeping or eating; practiced social distancing of at least 6 feet; were not allowed to leave campus; did not have access to personal electronics and other items that might contribute to surface transmission; and routinely washed their hands. They slept in double-occupancy rooms with sinks, ate in shared dining facilities, and used shared bathrooms.

All recruits cleaned their rooms daily, sanitized bathrooms after each use with bleach wipes, and ate preplated meals in a dining hall that was cleaned with bleach after each platoon had eaten.

Most instruction and exercises were conducted outdoors. All movement of recruits was supervised, and unidirectional flow was implemented, with designated building entry and exit points to minimize contact among persons.

All recruits, regardless of participation in the study, underwent daily temperature and symptom screening. Six instructors who were assigned to each platoon worked in 8-hour shifts and enforced the quarantine measures.

If recruits reported any signs or symptoms consistent with Covid-19, they reported to sick call, underwent rapid qPCR testing for SARS-CoV-2, and were placed in isolation pending the results of testing.

Instructors were also restricted to campus, were required to wear masks, were provided with preplated meals, and underwent daily temperature checks and symptom screening. Instructors who were assigned to a platoon in which a positive case was diagnosed underwent rapid qPCR testing for SARS-CoV-2, and, if the result was positive, the instructor was removed from duty.

Recruits and instructors were prohibited from interacting with campus support staff, such as janitorial and food-service personnel. After each class completed quarantine, a deep bleach cleaning of surfaces was performed in the bathrooms, showers, bedrooms, and hallways in the dormitories, and the dormitory remained unoccupied for at least 72 hours before reoccupancy.

The reputation of Marine basic training is that it is tough going but this really does take it to another level. Also, this is an environment where those in charge do not mess around. There was surely close to 100% compliance, as compared with, for example, a typical college campus.

What were the results? The virus still spread, though 90% of those who tested positive were without symptoms. Incredibly, 2% of the CHARM recruits still contracted the virus, even if all but one remained asymptomatic. “Our study showed that in a group of predominantly young male military recruits, approximately 2% became positive for SARS-CoV-2, as determined by qPCR assay, during a 2-week, strictly enforced quarantine.”

And how does this compare to the control group that was not tested and not isolated in the case of a positive case? Have a look at this chart from the study:

New England Journal of Medicine

https://www.aier.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Screen-Shot-2020-11-13-at-10.16.32-AM-1200x691.png

Which is to say that the nonparticipants actually contracted the virus at a slightly lower rate than those who were under an extreme regime. Conversely, extreme enforcement of NPIs plus more frequent testing and isolation was associated with a greater degree of infection.

I’m grateful to Don Wolt for drawing my attention to this study, which, so far as I know, has received very little attention from any media source at all, despite having been published in the New England Journal of Medicine on November 11.

Here are four actual media headlines about the study that miss the point entirely:

CNN: “Many military Covid-19 cases are asymptomatic, studies show”
SciTech Daily: “Asymptomatic COVID-19 Transmission Revealed Through Study of 2,000 Marine Recruits”
ABC: “Broad study of Marine recruits shows limits of COVID-19 symptom screening”
US Navy: “Navy/Marine Corps COVID-19 Study Findings Published in New England Journal of Medicine”
No national news story that I have found highlighted the most important finding of all: extreme quarantine plus frequent testing and isolation among military recruits did nothing to stop the virus.

The study is important because of the social structure of control here. It’s one thing to observe no effects from national lockdowns. There are countless variables here that could be invoked as cautionary notes: demographics, population density, preexisting immunities, degree of compliance, and so on.

But with this Marine study, you have a near homogeneous group based on age, health, and densities of living. And even here, you see confirmed what so many other studies have shown: lockdowns are pointlessly destructive.

They do not manage the disease. They crush human liberty and produce astonishing costs, such as 5.53 million years of lost life from the closing of schools alone.

The lockdowners keep telling us to pay attention to the science. That’s what we are doing. When the results contradict their pro-compulsion narrative, they pretend that the studies do not exist and barrel ahead with their scary plans to disable all social functioning in the presence of a virus.

Lockdowns are not science. They never have been. They are an experiment in social/political top-down management that is without precedent in cost to life and liberty.

[The earliest version of this article misstated the conditions of the control group. They were equally locked down with those who participated in the study. The difference between the two concerned testing frequency and the isolation response. This does not affect this article’s conclusion; indeed it strengthens it: even under extreme measures, the virus spread, and more so with the extra measure intended to control the virus. Nearly all infections were without symptoms.]

https://www.aier.org/article/even-a-military-enforced-quarantine-cant-stop-the-virus-study-reveals/

New England Journal of Medicine

Which is to say that the nonparticipants actually contracted the virus at a slightly lower rate than those who were under an extreme regime. Conversely, extreme enforcement of NPIs plus more frequent testing and isolation was associated with a greater degree of infection.

I’m grateful to Don Wolt for drawing my attention to this study, which, so far as I know, has received very little attention from any media source at all, despite having been published in the New England Journal of Medicine on November 11.

Here are four actual media headlines about the study that miss the point entirely:

CNN: “Many military Covid-19 cases are asymptomatic, studies show”
SciTech Daily: “Asymptomatic COVID-19 Transmission Revealed Through Study of 2,000 Marine Recruits”
ABC: “Broad study of Marine recruits shows limits of COVID-19 symptom screening”


32 posted on 11/21/2020 6:02:15 PM PST by Grampa Dave ( If you don't vote for demonicRATS, don't worry, their voting machines will do that for you!)
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To: Slyfox
A sales guy person yelled at me from about 75 feet away that I was not wearing a mask

At the Whataburger, an old woman came up to my table and "offered" me a mask. I suggested she offer it to someone who might actually use it, and when she got a little huffy, I reminded her that SHE was the one violating social distancing. She called me rude and left.

At some places where the management is unyielding, I just leave and take my business elsewhere. If it was about fear of actually GETTING the virus, and not about bossing people around, they would stay away from me.
33 posted on 11/21/2020 6:14:02 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: basalt

Related, in KY:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3908305/posts?page=12#12


34 posted on 11/21/2020 6:20:58 PM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: Dr. Sivana
I have been thinking lately about the "whites only" doors in the South.

I cannot enter the door of a business if I don't cover my face as if I do have the right color skin.

Has anyone else thought about this?

35 posted on 11/21/2020 6:28:20 PM PST by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys )
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To: Dr. Sivana

Do these establishments have a sign at the door requiring masks? If so, and you do not wish to wear a mask you should not enter in the 1st place. You don’t enter without a shirt if that is requested by the owner or management for you to enter, do you?


36 posted on 11/21/2020 6:37:50 PM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: Paul R.
Do these establishments have a sign at the door requiring masks? If so, and you do not wish to wear a mask you should not enter in the 1st place. You don’t enter without a shirt if that is requested by the owner or management for you to enter, do you?

It is not the same thing and you know it. A LOT of the establishments that have the sign in Maricopa County, AZ only do so out of orders from upstairs (corporate or government pressure), or not wanting to be called by masky people.

There are plenty of places that have tons of signage, and even bilingual messages on the PA, and yet, I walk right in, past the security guard (grocery store), without so much as a raised eyebrow.

Sometimes the places with the most signage are the least problematic. Only way to find out is one at a time. I also find that local cops seem to like to hang out (maskless) at said places. The odds of them having their food contaminated is MUCH less at such places.

In any event, the only way to find out is to try them one at a time. That is what I do. I also believe it is good to show others that not everyone is going to play along with this Twilight Zone dystopia, especially those who agree in spirit but aren't interested in friction of any kind.
37 posted on 11/21/2020 6:51:21 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Dr. Sivana
It is still the owner's or corporate management acting in their name ultimate decision, unless this is some sort of really dysfunctional business.

In particular, owners of bars, restaurants, stores, etc., face legal pressure and sometimes not legal pressure every day to do stuff they'd rather not have to do, "rather not" because it negatively affects their business, their customers (such as via higher prices than maybe the next jurisdiction over), etc. Been there, done that. They decide whether to comply vs. just pay a fine (sometimes repeatedly), risk getting closed down, and so on. If you don't like their decision, if you were polite, you'd phone them (nicely) or write them a cordial letter stating your position. Instead, you are on THEIR property, potentially risking trouble for them. Which property ownership obviously you do not respect.

Now, why don't you go ask (ASK!!!) the owner or their representative if the ownership is in favor of or not in favor of requiring masks to enter. Regardless of their reason, if they say yes, and you are passionate about it, respect their decision and don't go in, but please feel free to advise them in writing why you are no longer a customer. If "no", try to work with them to organize a large (large!) protest at the business or maybe City Hall (owner's choice), not against the business itself, but supporting it and against the local officials, notifying the pertinent officials and news media well ahead of time.

38 posted on 11/21/2020 7:52:47 PM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: dragnet2

The ones who are most ardent about lock downs and masks are those who have a job regardless of the business world. that would be people paid form public money. So, if anyone wants to talk about the mask and lockdowns, ask them if they could be laid off without any funds from the covid.


39 posted on 11/21/2020 8:08:02 PM PST by healy61
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To: Paul R.
Now, why don't you go ask (ASK!!!)

Sometimes I do. (PetSmart, vs. PetCo which had NOT been enforcing the sign on the door and suddenly decided to start hard enforcement). I also called my bank and cleared it before I opened an account for my daughter.

However, not all places answer the phone, and again, MANY places have signs but don't mean it. If I see several people go into the XXXX chain convenience store (multiple locations) without a mask, and I have, and I have DOZENS of times, the sign is null. If a grocery store chain admits to the newspapers that they won't be telling people to mask up directly notwithstanding the signs, I take the hint. If another grocery store chain says that if they see someone unmasked, that he falls under an exemption, then I don't feel like I am trespassing even if I am not in compliance with some local rule.

I don't have the time, money or resources to organize a proper "protest", though I will try to make it to some of the organized ones already in progress.

There MUST be day to day visible pushback or the power mongers will stomp down harder. This is getting past simple private property rights, and towards a fascist model where the properties are only nominally private.

My list is almost complete now, and now I can do 80% of my business at places that have no issue with me breathing air or showing my face. 15% I do drive-through or curbside pickup.

Now, I am just looking for a dentist and an optometrist (I found a doctor).
40 posted on 11/21/2020 8:08:53 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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