I've been thinking about this since last night. It is mostly the men advocating in favor of punching and even though they have mostly not commented I'll wager the women are mostly in agreement with you. Biologically you guys have to keep all the babies alive, even the asshoes. So there's that.
But, this is the problem with society in general. There aren't any consequences for unacceptable behavior. That guy is not an individual. When he picked up that flag he voluntarily became a member of a group. As a member of that group he is at least partially responsible for ALL of the actions of that group. That principle was well established at Nuremberg. Why do you think an armed society is a polite society? I used to fight on the Marine Corps Karate team in Okinawa a looong time ago. The most polite place I've ever been was an event where the average guy could break a Louisville slugger with his shins.
Every guy in the olden days knew there was a line where you got hit in the mouth. As a matter of fact it is very beneficial to boys to get hit in the mouth and to have hit someone in anger, it shapes masculinity and it identifies who is who; who is a good guy and who is a bad guy, who you can count on and who will run, who is a bully and who is psychotic. What you have now is a society where boys don't get to learn any of that. Masculinity is being murdered. we are living in a country full of pussies with assault rifles.
I'm sorry to have to tell you this but a lot of the fault lies with women who won't let boys be boys. This is hurting women too. How do you think hypergamy works? Men marry the most attractive woman their status can win and women marry the highest status male they can attract. Presumably the thing that makes women most attractive to men; youth, hips and breasts, are indicators of fertility or successful child bearing (lots of them died having babies). And what equates to status in men is the ability to provide for her and the children while she raises them. This whole process is integral to the survival of the species and the continuity of society. Society is what allows us to cooperate for survival, and why we have hospitals and electricity and all the great things we have invented. Society is breaking down because we have eliminated the fundamentals of the one man one woman family where the father is in the home shaping the masculinity of the boys while the mother molds the femininity of the girls. Each of them being the model of what the young ones should look for in a mate.
While a man's eyes will tell him which woman is most attractive, how do you suppose a woman is to know which man will be the best provider? Women let the other men tell them. Status in males is determined by interaction with other males. Any group of men over time develop a hierarchy. Any woman will innately pick up on this and know who she wants because the other men have it sorted for her. So when we started fiddling with masculinity what we were actually doing was destroying the mechanism by which men sorted themselves and by which women knew who to settle down with.
In the actual case before us the screamer and the puncher is asshoe. Therefore you reacted negatively to him individually. So did I, but I also know that anybody, anybody, anybody! carrying an antifa flag is trying to destroy society therefore is an enemy combatant. Remember we are wired to protect and provide. That is why you love us. They are a threat and should be dealt with. It is a shameful commentary on our society that more men haven't stepped up and done something. The practice of punishing masculinity for asserting itself began in school and continues with the legal punishment of justifiable violence (Think Kyle Rittenhouse) so most of the sheepdogs are hesitating to get involved.
Masculinity is not toxic, this thing they have done to boys has made some of them toxic. If you repress this wholesome trait in boys it will find perverse avenues of escape. That is exactly why these antifa males are so scary. They are nuts because they have never been in a fistfight. (that is a gross oversimplification but you get my drift?)
What you are experiencing in some of the guys around here is a healthy amount of frustration at the fact that society is broken in large part because nobody ever gets killed for the right reason. I'm sorry to insult you, but what you are asking for is Obama's rules of engagement in Iraq. Only if they swing first. That got a lot of good men killed.
I agree, that one particular guy who did the punching might be crazy, again no one saw what set him off, but the principle that we need more aggression against Burn Loot Murder and the panty squad is well placed. Good men are made to protect and provide, watching the wholesale destruction and rape of society with no push back has got us all worked up into a state. (I think on purpose)
So, we won't start our own thread. We'll just go away. Just like all the other times. When the wolf is at the door who will you call? This is just the internet so there is no door and no real wolf, but they are out there IRL and the sheep dogs are saying "screw it" you want to let it run its course then you deal with it.
As a matter of fact it is very beneficial to boys to get hit in the mouth and to have hit someone in anger, it shapes masculinity and it identifies who is who; who is a good guy and who is a bad guy, who you can count on and who will run, who is a bully and who is psychotic.
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“and to have hit someone in anger”
Sorry, anger is caused by many things and hitting in response is not necessarily justified.
We are one month out from the election. Until the election is over we (F/R, Q thread) should exhibit military discipline and avoid responding to and advocating attacks from the left and/or providing them with material for Dem/MSM propaganda.
After the election we know that we can rely on the President to provide the necessary military or police response. If he cannot, then citizens—and lots of us have taken and oath of office—will consider the appropriate response.
Blowing off steam is understandable, but in this forum advocating “direct action” against the radical left may carry a risk to the entire forum and this thread. Don’t do anything that gets the site or bank accounts shut down, or anything that gets F/R smeared with a “violent vigilante extremists”.
Hold this talk until after the election.
(And don’t do anything to get yourself tossed into jail in a leftist dominated judicial setting and becoming poster boy for leftist propaganda.
From the limited snip that I saw of the video puncher guy will probably get arrested for assault,verbally provoked or not, and guilty or not, lawyers and courts will drain his bank accounts. Maybe the antifa jerk will sue. Yes, emotionally satisfying but only until those bill’s have to be paid.)
You explained that very well and I agree completely. Society has been groomed and conditioned over the last 50 years to condemn masculinity and it’s a quality that’s led to organizations like Aunt Tifa. In that group, the “men” are generally skinny little wimps and the women are masculinized.
I will go out on a limb and suggest that 90-95% of them come from single parent households where the children had little access to a father who could teach the boys how to be real men, and teach the girls how to both behave like ladies and expect to be treated by men. Men have an extremely important role to play in raising children and they’ve been kicked to the curb and told their contributions are “toxic”.
And we end up with mouthy sissy boys who don’t know when to shut up until a man comes along and teaches them what their daddy didn’t. And the conditioned society will jump in and condemn those men for doing even that. We’re even seeing it here.
It won’t always be pretty or nice, but let men be men. Society will be better off for it.
I have seen truth, and your post is it, goodman.
You know the score. Thanks for sharing. I hope you won't 'go away'. Like life, we need both the masculine and the feminine. We need balance. Balance is good.
I wholeheartedly agree with every word you said, and continue to call that Antifa ass whooping good. For the reasons you stated.
That is absolutely the trouble with society. The feminist attempt to destroy masculinity. I, for one, reject that.
You’ve described in a very short space the situation that tossing God out of our society has wrought. I’m a woman and I sincerely appreciate your analysis. I do admit that it left a good feeling to see the guy get punched.
That said, I don’t want to lose any of our wonderful masculine thread contributors. I am disgusted over that House resolution. Even more so that my R rep voted for it. I was too busy to call his office about that last week. I do grok that the 17 votes against are indicative of group support. But my point is, we need you guys. We need you to be Godly, masculine men that you describe and part of that includes protecting our forum on this thread.
My opinion is that we only have to hold this pansy line until Nov 3. Lots of things needs to be set back right. Not just our gubmint. Our Godly family structure needs a return and it’s going to take time for that too. We need you good men to be who God made you and teach the fatherless of younger generations. Even the parts you describe about angry punching.
All this, and all of you, will continue in my prayers. We need to stick together and protect our Bible and our Constitution.
You are correct, we don’t know what happened to set the puncher off.
In every confrontational situation, a man must decide when he will use fists instead of words. Men do that. Men are ready to make that call. And they often have past history of making those decisions that women usually don’t have.
We need real men. Every day. Especially here.
Ransom and others are trying to protect the thread. We are thankful for that.
Men are trying to protect our American way of life. We are thankful for that too!
We are united in our fury that this is happening in our country.
I guess the solution is to hold our fire, keep our powder dry, and wait until we see the white of their eyes. Truly, where we go one, we go all. The members of this thread will stand alongside you and fight, with pleasure, when the President gives the signal we were told is coming.
We were told to wait for “ My fellow Americans, the Storm is upon us.”
Until then, we are ALL frustrated.
Great post.
Probably will have to re-read it tonight.
Thinking that it’s good to keep my powder dry until after the election.
I believe I understood the masculine frustration on display. It is in fact my experience working with men which told me not to write “I know you’re expressing frustration and really don’t intend your words to sound quite like....” because men, in my experience, are likely to “double down” if that is attempted.
Theirs are usually statements of resolve and for ME to couch their statements as frustration would be taken as a kind of patronizing or diminishment (you don’t MEAN what you say). Hence the double down strategem is likely.
As odd as it sounds, some like to target Q threads by claiming I personally believe this or that statement written by others on the Q thread. I have learned to rebut now on thread that which I would like to avoid having to rebut later on other threads. They don’t “get” that we don’t have leaders and some, like the MSM, are just going to nominate people and them flog them to fill that void.
So, I needed to state my opinions in a way that would not diminish the statement of resolves seen on thread, would clarify that those are personal views not expoused by Q or Q+, try to keep the welcome mat out for visitors who don’t know what Q does/does not endorse but have heard “things” from the media, and try to fulfill our thread’s commitment to meeting FR standards of conduct (not exposing FR to attacks by MSM or other when possible).
You said: “I’m sorry to have to tell you this but a lot of the fault lies with women who won’t let boys be boys.”
Don’t worry - your statement doesn’t apply to me. This isn’t about letting boys be boys - I’ve stated how I addressed my concerns above. I’ve never thought masculinity toxic; I am in fact quite a fan of it.
But, I post Q threads and sometimes I feel the need to get clarification to avoid problems later. Not saying it’s pleasant for anyone, but housekeeping piles up if you don’t keep up on it.
Toddler, in my opinion I believe the powers running the world have tried their damnedest to kill masculinity, in particular, white masculinity.
I wish I had a dollar for every time I have remarked to my husband about television shows and commercials that have made the white guy a butt of a joke, to look effeminate, gender confused or just too dumb to walk through the door. Gets me stinking mad.
It is disgusting what they have done to the white male persona, the strong, silent, saves everyone type Man culture I grew up with. They will end up regretting it in my opinion.
In fact one of the things I most love about Trump is HE IS A MAN! A beautiful, strong, opinionated, unafraid, masculine, woman loving Man. To me it’s what makes him the best Man for the job.
Sorry for rant. I’m on edge until 45 comes back to us.
Judge Chamberlain Haller : That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection.
Vinny Gambini : Thank you, Your Honor.
Judge Chamberlain Haller : [firm tone] Overruled.
What about the deep state agenda to instigate civil war?
The way I see it, there are plenty of deep state posters on this website trying to induce patriots to commit violence.
Can’t be ignored.
“The practice of punishing masculinity for asserting itself began in school and continues with the legal punishment of justifiable violence (Think Kyle Rittenhouse) so most of the sheepdogs are hesitating to get involved.”
Yes! Beating a sheepdog for doing his job
is a bad thing.