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September 17, 1944...76 years ago...Operation began...

I read the book...Then I watched the movie...

I think the movie was OK...It had good battle scenes... Like the artillery barrage scene...The scene where US paratroopers take the bridge...

Entrance to Antwerp should have been secured first...Canadians eventually took care of that later...

1 posted on 09/17/2020 9:40:15 PM PDT by L.A.Justice
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Its called Monty! If they thought Patton and McCarthur were premodonnas, Monty wore a prom dress!


5 posted on 09/17/2020 10:02:14 PM PDT by Bommer (I'm a MAGA-Deplorian! It is the way! It is the only way!)
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Not as well covered, but Monty was a disaster in the D-Day/Normandy campaign as well.

CC


11 posted on 09/17/2020 10:28:30 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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Operation Market-Garden was a disaster of epic proportion from start to finish the sole responsibility for it lies with that insufferable British bastard Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery.

Two American airborne divisions were badly mauled in the week long battle.
Despite intelligence reports, supplied at great risk by Dutch resistance that there were two Waffen SS panzer divisions in the Arnhem area Montgomery still went ahead with the attack. In retaliation the Germans blockaded all food supplies to Holland and many people starved to death. One young Dutch girl by the name Audrey Kathleen Ruston nearly starved to death and for the rest of her life she would always remain very thin and frail. But she would go on to become one of the most beloved stars of Hollywood as Audrey Hepburn. The Dutch people suffered terribly because of Montgomery debacle. To the end that narcissistic Limey prick Montgomery said "I am Market-Gardens sole champion. I consider it an unqualified success!'' To which the then 33 year old regent-in-exile Prince Rupert said "My country can never again afford the luxury of a Montgomery success''.

14 posted on 09/17/2020 10:43:44 PM PDT by jmacusa (If we're all equal how is diversity our strength?)
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I was at the doctor the other day and he took blood from my right arm. Then the nurse said I should keep my arm raised so it doesn’t get swollen and hurt. By the time I got home it was a bit swollen and hurting so I took a pill and laid on the bed. I started watching a WW2 documentary on the iPad Pro with my arm raised. Then my wife came in and wanted to know why I was Nazi saluting the WW2 documentary.


15 posted on 09/17/2020 10:46:07 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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"We're wearing the wrong camoflage..."
16 posted on 09/17/2020 10:47:01 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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Well, the people that were freed in the low countries certainly appreciated it even though the last objective was not met.


19 posted on 09/17/2020 10:56:18 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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The whole thing was a bad idea from the start.....only one main road which was higher than everything around it (to avoid being flooded) which made vehicles on that road perfect targets. Several key bridges to capture. Panzer divisions resting an refitting right near the 3rd critical objective, not enough transport aircraft.

To top it all off, the British had had a major success when they captured Antwerp which was a desperately needed major port. The Germans heavily fortified the Scheldt estuary to prevent its use and the Allies deployed some understrength Canadian divisions to take it against very stiff German opposition. That mission should have been prioritized. Getting Antwerp in operation would largely solve Allied supply problems setting up the next phase of the campaign - the conquest of the Reich.


27 posted on 09/18/2020 2:17:25 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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The key strategic mistake was Ike’s failure to DIRECT Monty to open Antwerp, rather than allowing him to do Market Garden. It was all about logistics.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/was-eisenhower-antwerp-biggest-allied-blunder-world-war-ii-128667

Was Eisenhower at Antwerp the Biggest Allied Blunder of World War II?


29 posted on 09/18/2020 2:24:24 AM PDT by abb
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33 posted on 09/18/2020 2:58:49 AM PDT by airborne (I don't always scream at the TV but when I do it's hockey season!)
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If the British 1st Airborne Division had the proper crystals in their radios, they could have better coordinated with the rest of the Allied commands. Supplies meant for them that were dropping behind the German lines might have been redirected to the areas they held. Then they could have resisted or withdrawn (if necessary) more effectively. The Polish Parachute Brigade might have been spared their disaster.

As it was, the 1st Airborne couldn’t communicate with the rest of the commands in the operation due to the short range of their broadcast radios. This led to worry in the Allied staffs, miscues as supplies (and the Polish airborne troops) bound for them didn’t reach them, and poor coordination in effectively bringing the elements of the division together.


36 posted on 09/18/2020 4:16:31 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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Mistake#1: Allowing British Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery command something....

Mistake#2: a single road

Mistake #3: ignored intelligence indicating that two elite SS Panzer divisions had been stationed in the region

Mistake #4: Not asking “Murphy” what he plans to do!!!


38 posted on 09/18/2020 4:53:07 AM PDT by Patriot_MP (Of the Troops, For the Troops - US of A Always. Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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They failed to take into account that airborne operations rarely worked at that time.


45 posted on 09/18/2020 5:49:49 AM PDT by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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I saw the movie for the first time two weeks ago


46 posted on 09/18/2020 5:54:47 AM PDT by cyclotic (The most dangerous people are the ones that feel the most helpless)
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My dad was there, next to the Battle of the Bulge it was his worst experience. He was not a fan of Monty and disparaged him always.


47 posted on 09/18/2020 6:17:29 AM PDT by ABN 505 (Right is right if nobody is right, and wrong is wrong if everybody is wrong. ~Archbishop Fulton John)
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Monty blew Market Garden before he even got permission from Ike to launch it. There was no German front line in Holland, and Monty had enough gas to go another one hundred miles, but he stopped cold instead of fighting a battle of exploitation that potentially could have captured the Market Garden objectives two weeks before the operation was actually launched. He also could have cleared the approaches to Antwerp, which not only would have relieved the Allied supply problems, but would have kept the German Fifteenth Army trapped on the channel coast. Even if Monty had waited a day or two to allow his soldiers to rest and perform maintenance of their vehicles, he still could have continued to attack, and not allow the Germans to reestablish a front line.


49 posted on 09/18/2020 7:58:54 AM PDT by yawningotter
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Had a neighbor that was in the 101st Airborne that was shot a few times as he parachuted into Holland and survived.

He was mentioned by name in one of Stephan Ambrose’s books. They dropped into Normandy without bullets. He landed near a group of Germans, knifed one and hid out until dawn. His sons had never heard the story when I showed them the passage. Died in his 90s a few years ago.

50 posted on 09/18/2020 8:15:30 AM PDT by zek157
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